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Originally Posted by Artmo
(Post 16276192)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13"
I find this really irritating. Is it really necessary? After all this is a biking, not a religious forum, so I don't really care if the supernatural strengthens you. I don't mean to be offensive, but I find your tag line offensive. I'm not much of a joiner of groups. I have no bumper stickers or tattoos expressing my philosophies. But, it doesn't bother me if others want to share what they care about with me. I like to think I'm a part of various communities and sharing what matters is kind of a bonding experience. No criticism of your perspective. Just sharing mine. Community and all that. |
Originally Posted by Dudelsack
(Post 16277595)
Bill is one of the most collegial, encouraging and friendly posters on this forum. I'd hate to see him driven off by this stuff.
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Reading this non controversial thread it appears that some Americans are as easily offended as some Austrians.
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Originally Posted by bruce19
(Post 16277625)
Bill is a valuable part of "us" IMO. His contributions are always positive. Whether his religious beliefs or philosophy are congruent with mine is unimportant to me. I know a good spirit when I see one.
It's inspirational motivation for anyone who chooses to use it. As such it's appropriate in a signature in a 50+ forum. |
Originally Posted by Artmo
(Post 16276192)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13"
I find this really irritating. Is it really necessary? After all this is a biking, not a religious forum, so I don't really care if the supernatural strengthens you. I don't mean to be offensive, but I find your tag line offensive. |
Originally Posted by Dudelsack
(Post 16276245)
If this were a timed competitive event, then perhaps you were wrong. The rider was trying to improve his own time. Does Cavendish ask for permission to join a sprintline being formed by an opposing team? Isn't it the group's responsibility just to deal with it?
It kind of smacks of the Cinzano treatment if this were a competitive event. From the OP's description of the ride up to that point, it seems clear to me that this was a group you could ride with only if you could keep up the pace. This guy was clearly not up to the task. You can't really have a polite conversation about expectations while riding in a fast paceline, so yelling to "pull out" seems to me a very appropriate way to let the guy know the score. |
The signature line adds some depth to our understanding of the person. I don't think we need PC police to take that away from us.
Charlie |
I YELL....pull out. |
Originally Posted by StephenH
(Post 16276948)
You can work rides one way or another, and it's not so critical how you do things, as to make sure everyone understands what is going on. If you tell 'em it's a non-drop ride, and then drop them, you've got problems. If you post that it's a 16-17 mph ride, then hold 21 mph, you've got problems. If you have new people out that don't know the route, you don't hand them a map, then drop them, you've got problems.
If you tell everyone, "Okay, this group is going to hold 21 mph", and then somebody gloms on that can't hold it, no problem to take on off. If you're trying to hold a group together, you blew it. if you're trying to make sure everyone takes a turn pulling, you blew it. It's pretty much guaranteed that in a group of several people, somebody is going to be a little faster than somebody else, and at some point, you're going to be going slower than what you COULD be going just for the sake of keeping that group together. In the local rando group, that sometimes mean that one or two people pull all day and some slower people never take a pull. If you want to stay together and want everyone to pull, speed has got to adjust accordingly. |
Sometimes I yell at myself when I find I have failed to keep up with my single bicycle pace line and need to fall out. Is that acceptable? :)
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Just a noob's point of view: Looking at everyone's input about protocol and the OP's description of the scenario, I'm sure you're quite right in your actions.
Sure would take the stress relief (and most of the fun) out of cycling for me to be in his clips. Was sorta interested in finding the local clubs to try group rides at pace. Not anymore. Attitudes are probably plentiful in a pace line. |
Originally Posted by North Coast Joe
(Post 16277997)
Just a noob's point of view: Looking at everyone's input about protocol and the OP's description of the scenario, I'm sure you're quite right in your actions.
Sure would take the stress relief (and most of the fun) out of cycling for me to be in his clips. Was sorta interested in finding the local clubs to try group rides at pace. Not anymore. Attitudes are probably plentiful in a pace line. |
Originally Posted by DnvrFox
(Post 16277932)
Sometimes I yell at myself when I find I have failed to keep up with my single bicycle pace line and need to fall out. Is that acceptable? :)
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Originally Posted by North Coast Joe
(Post 16277997)
Just a noob's point of view: Looking at everyone's input about protocol and the OP's description of the scenario, I'm sure you're quite right in your actions.
Sure would take the stress relief (and most of the fun) out of cycling for me to be in his clips. Was sorta interested in finding the local clubs to try group rides at pace. Not anymore. Attitudes are probably plentiful in a pace line. |
Originally Posted by North Coast Joe
(Post 16277997)
Just a noob's point of view: Looking at everyone's input about protocol and the OP's description of the scenario, I'm sure you're quite right in your actions.
Sure would take the stress relief (and most of the fun) out of cycling for me to be in his clips. Was sorta interested in finding the local clubs to try group rides at pace. Not anymore. Attitudes are probably plentiful in a pace line. You might find yourself enjoying a nice tight paceline with friends at some point, or perhaps not. Don't sweat it, just ride and enjoy. |
Originally Posted by Ursa Minor
(Post 16277867)
The signature line adds some depth to our understanding of the person. I don't think we need PC police to take that away from us.
Charlie And there is a little box in preferences that one can block out all signature lines if one chooses. Some are too easily irritated. |
Originally Posted by North Coast Joe
(Post 16277997)
Just a noob's point of view: Looking at everyone's input about protocol and the OP's description of the scenario, I'm sure you're quite right in your actions.
Sure would take the stress relief (and most of the fun) out of cycling for me to be in his clips. Was sorta interested in finding the local clubs to try group rides at pace. Not anymore. Attitudes are probably plentiful in a pace line. Riding a paceline is a great deal of fun, but you have to know when to drop out. The rest of the guys in a paceline are fine if you only hold speed for a couple seconds and then drop back. The stonger guys do not mind pulling longer. The idea is moving the entire group as fast as possible, without safety issues. What is not fine is slowing the entire group down and causing safety issues. Give a paceline a try in a century, just understand when to pull out. |
Originally Posted by Artmo
(Post 16276192)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13"
I find this really irritating. Is it really necessary? After all this is a biking, not a religious forum, so I don't really care if the supernatural strengthens you. I don't mean to be offensive, but I find your tag line offensive. Your thinking if you just huff all up and look like a real jerk... yelling at someone FOR NO APPARENT REASON.... the OP of this thread will see just how wrong it is. Once again... good point. That really did look like someone acting in poor taste. Thanks for sharing. |
Originally Posted by Artmo
(Post 16276192)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13"
I find this really irritating. Is it really necessary? After all this is a biking, not a religious forum, so I don't really care if the supernatural strengthens you. I don't mean to be offensive, but I find your tag line offensive. |
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 16278192)
+1
And there is a little box in preferences that one can block out all signature lines if one chooses. Some are too easily irritated. |
cow, COW, c-o-w, E-I-E-I-O, Dagnabbit
Boy, did this thread grow some tangential legs or what? OK, I admit that I did not react in a friendly way, but we 5 had an agenda and no issue with someone joining in as long as they stayed with the program. I was actually 4th in line and saw what happened with the 2 strong riders in front of me and as the elder statesman in the group I felt it appropriate to take action. After reading the replies from you-all I probably should have said.....Time to Pull Out in an informative not demeaning way. Thank you for helping me improve. To those who might not want to join in a pace line group because of what you have read here, some can be fun while others can be anything but. As has been mentioned, if you join in the line, get a feel for how the group works, how alive the line is and go with the flow. When you find yourself up front and things are really moving, take a short pull and move over. Nobody will be upset. If you find yourself having a hard time but would like to stay with the group a bit longer, drop back and let the retreating rider pull in front of you by telling him/her to...go ahead. |
Originally Posted by lhendrick
(Post 16277547)
I was yelled at while touring across Europe this past Summer. In Austria on a bike path, I was flying along to get into Linz (downhill of course) on my fully loaded touring steel beast after 60 miles of sweating, when I heard from behind, "Achtung !!" - I nearly crashed laughing, and screamed back "Zeig Heil !!" as I moved over to let them pass on their carbon panzers. The very proper Austrians were not amused. Was I wrong? Ha! God bless the bastids', they make some great bikes and bike paths, but they still think they won the war. :)
OTOH, I think the OP was entirely right, although I suppose they could have been a little more polite. |
Speaking of religion...
Back to the OP's question, no, not bad to instruct. Ok to yell? Depends, I guess but age has a way of mellowing. At (rare) times when I find myself amongst the strong and another, newb perhaps, not so graced, interferes with what I deem a well deserved "my/our" paceline, I relax my attitude, thanks to my aged years, take a breath (or seven) and let the weaker/newb know that's it's ok to hang on to us at the back until you feel you can pull at the same speed as us as he may not know the error of his ways and then get the hint - then maybe a non-patronizing "keepitup/attaboy" type comment. I find myself riding with guys/gals half, er... a third of my age, (yikes!) and I can't imagine not sucking up and encouraging others. Encouragement happened to me when I was just starting and I'm greatful. |
Originally Posted by Dudelsack
(Post 16277595)
Bill is one of the most collegial, encouraging and friendly posters on this forum. I'd hate to see him driven off by this stuff. Can't you just skip the signature line if it bothers you that much? Surely bright sophisticated people like yourselves can do that. Can't you?
I agree with you 100% Bill is a great guy. He is simply expressing his faith in Christ. Many of us share his faith. There are lots of things that are annoying...by simply averting my eyes I save myself a great deal of irritation (and stress). |
Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 16278396)
That sounds pretty insensitive to me. Austria was occupied and annexed by Nazi Germany.
OTOH, I think the OP was entirely right, although I suppose they could have been a little more polite. |
Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
(Post 16278378)
To those who might not want to join in a pace line group because of what you have read here, some can be fun while others can be anything but. As has been mentioned, if you join in the line, get a feel for how the group works, how alive the line is and go with the flow. When you find yourself up front and things are really moving, take a short pull and move over. Nobody will be upset. If you find yourself having a hard time but would like to stay with the group a bit longer, drop back and let the retreating rider pull in front of you by telling him/her to...go ahead.
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Originally Posted by Spider95
(Post 16278250)
I completely agree with you on this. It hurts me every time I see it and I find it totally inappropriate and rude. I'm sure qcpmsame means well but I wish he'd politely consider other's feelings. I choose to keep my very strong opinions of religion to myself in order to avoid antagonizing those who don't agree with me.
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OK, I changed my mind again. The OP did the right thing.
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I think we all get to find inspiration wherever we like, and I don't have a problem with people who want to share where they find theirs.
Personally, Bill is my inspiration :) (Not kidding either, since he was one of the most helpful people I talked to when I was having health issues a little over a year ago.) |
Originally Posted by lhendrick
(Post 16277547)
I was yelled at while touring across Europe this past Summer. In Austria on a bike path, I was flying along to get into Linz (downhill of course) on my fully loaded touring steel beast after 60 miles of sweating, when I heard from behind, "Achtung !!" - I nearly crashed laughing, and screamed back "Zeig Heil !!" as I moved over to let them pass on their carbon panzers. The very proper Austrians were not amused. Was I wrong? Ha! God bless the bastids', they make some great bikes and bike paths :)
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