I suspect it would drastically change some threads in a positive manner if more people did this.

Thanks, CH HI. I just found it and made the change to see how it works. It actually makes reading through threads a bit easier/cleaner/quicker.

Replied to offline. Again.

I agree with telling the other riders, and not yelling at them. I was a potential "yellee" this past Saturday on a 41 mile ride. I went with a breakaway group of 4 (at about 15 miles into the ride) from our normal ride with a 18-19 mph pace. I have only worked myself up to staying with the group about 6 weeks ago, having started riding again this past May. (I've been pushing myself to ride between 150-230 miles per week.) The group of 4 was going to go at a 22-23 mph pace. I knew I could stay with the group in the pace line, but was concerned about doing pulls at those speeds, but I thought "there's got to be a first time." My first rotation I went hard and for too long, and then trying to get back in line while sucking air I fell a couple of bike lengths behind and was quickly dropped. The "leader" of the group and a very strong rider, came back and said: "stay on my wheel and I will pull you back up." He did, and then he positioned me in the line at a spot he said would be best for me, and said on my next rotation to skip it and just drop to the back so I could catch my breath. I did as instructed, and was able to do "short pulls" after that and to finish the ride in pretty good fashion. Afterwards I went to the other riders to apologize for slowing them down, but they all complimented me for hanging in there and finishing (an unwarranted, but appreciated compliment). The "leader" made a point of telling me how much I was improving, and that when my new bike with aero wheels came in he said I'd have no problems staying with them. I don't necessarily believe that, but I appreciate him saying it.

I am improving every week, and I will be able to stay with them in a month or so, new bike or not, but had I been yelled at things would have been very different. Everyone is different, but my reaction would have been to hit my brakes, fall back and ride alone. I would never have gone back to the Saturday morning ride, which I have grown to really enjoy. No doubt an overreaction on my part, but there are probably others like me out there. I bike because it is fun and challenging...when the fun leaves so do I.

Great thread, perfect for midwinter and it's not yet December. There's something for everyone here.

1. I've changed my mind three times. Darwin knows, I usually make up my mind once, regardless of the facts, and stick with it forever.

2. The raison d'etre for the post, and let's be honest, is the OP wanted to brag a bit. He's fast and done an Ironman. It ain't bragging if it's fact.

3. The weirdest invocation of Godwin's Law I've ever seen, on page two of a thread about yelling at slow guys.

4. Cranky people apparently haunted by the notion that the next month might have religious significance to someone, somewhere on this planet.

5. Resurgence of born-again Buddhists.

6. I'm offended. I'm not sure over what, but give me time........:lol:

Thinking about creating my own tag line....

"A fool couldn't ride the Vincent Black Shadow more than once, but a fool can ride a Ducati 900 many times, and it will always be a bloodcurdling kind of fun. That is the Curse of Speed which has plagued me all my life. I am a slave to it. On my tombstone they will carve, "IT NEVER GOT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME."
(Hunter S. Thompson)

That's how it's supposed to work. And good on you! Too often by the time I pull someone back to the group, they're too destroyed to hang.

Lol Dudelsack I love your sense of humor. I still chuckle whenever I think of the line you used to describe MUPs:

"Women of girth walking three abreast"

so true.

Charlie

I'm sure Bill is a great guy, but I object to what I see as "I'm holier than thou" pronouncements on a biking forum. Now that I know that I can omit tag lines, I'll do that.

This would be mine, if I knew how to do it:)

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Why are we discussing a signature line and not yelling at slow people?

Bill's not dissing other people's beliefs.

Getting back to the subject you mean when people yell," Good Pull," at me they really mean you're too slow stay at the back?

OK, I think I found my new signature line.

Indecisive and offended!?! What about me?....I'm so crushed at the POSSIBILITY of getting yelled at, I won't show up for the post-thread pie :p

Looks like I am going to have to include my "signature" as a part of the bottom of each post so that I will be sure to offend someone. This means that some folks will see it twice - but, one of the elements of good learning theory is repetition.

So - here goes!! I hope at least one person is offended - and I think I can predict in advance who that will be!! :)
















PLEASE DON'T FEED THE RESIDENT TROLLS!! . . . . My current regular routine at age 74+ is about 100 miles per week bicycling, 4 hours swimming, 4 hours walking, 3-4 hours of resistance exercises, balancing and targeted stretching.

Bill,

I have not commented until now, but feel compelled to do so. FWIW, I think the adverse views re. your signature line expressed in this thread are, to be blunt, the result either of a failure of reading comprehension or of a somewhat wilful (and misdirected) hyper-sensitivity itself bordering on intolerance. Neither your sig. line nor any of your posts that I have ever read have evidenced anything remotely approaching either a 'holier than thou' attitude or proselytizing.

In my opinion, based on reading your posts on various subjects and also (I must say) in response to me personally, you have been nothing but entertaining/interesting/supportive, and on-topic. Enough said. I am not a 'religious' person; far from it. But that's of no consequence; your sig. line is simply an expression of a part of your life; I cannot for the life of me see how anyone could find such an expression in any way offensive -- if they do, I would suggest they look rather closer to home for a solution to their unease. So stick to your principles, say I.

Oct join date, 13 posts and already annoyed. Your skin is too thin for this sport.

If that's what it means I'd be more than happy to take a free ride the rest of the way in. :lol: I think I could've stayed with those kinds of paces a lot longer w/o having to pull.

If your gut feels knotting/burning up before you ever get up front though, the group is probably too fast for you and you're likely gonna be shot after taking your turn. It is fun.....intoxicating actually....going that much faster than I usually do with the hot dogs but I've paid for it sometimes. I started pacing myself for the distance anymore because what time I gained in the first half would be lost, and then some, limping my way to the finish in the second half. Either way the hot dogs came in way ahead of me.

I'm sure the guy realized his limits just finishing that event (if he did) and will choose a less ambitious group next time.

+1

Happy Thanksgiving! We truly have much to be thankful for.

To the point of yelling "Pull Off," I'm not sure I can comment since I don't do group riding, but I can see why you might want to get back up to the pace. There are times I've gotten behind another cyclist going a bit slower than I like and I just dig in, accelerate, and say "on your left."



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RE: Those offended by sigs.

In the words of Sgt Hulka

"Lighten up Francis."

amen!

Mega kudos to the mods, BTW. They have exercised admirable restraint.

I just can't imagine what people are so sensitive about...?



“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ―The Quran

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I don't ride pace lines for 3 reasons: there are none around Monroe in which to ride, when I ride with Skipper if were not riding side by side I'm more than content to let him lead. Lastly, I'm a firm believer in Joe Henderson's (from when I was a runner) theory of LSD. This, of course meaning long, slow, distance not something found on the back of a stamp or in a sugar cube.:D

To those who do ride pacelines-is it common practice to jump into one composed of strangers? It seems a bit rude to me. I could understand if it was composed of riders that you know or if it was something organized by a club with standards of ability being set at the beginning of the ride but to jump in without an invitation, wouldn't happen. Of course, even with one, it probably wouldn't happen. I keep the bar low so as not to trip when I'm jumping over it.:)

Pacelines can be open or closed depending on the group's intensions. One should ask for inclusion if joining is desired. Pacelines often provide an opportunity for improvement one can not get when riding alone.

Over on the 41 a Saudi posted a ride by 100 cyclists in downtown Khobar in support of development of cycling infrastructure in their country.

There were two recumbents. It was pretty cool.

Muslims do post on BF. I'd like for them to feel welcome.

Anyway, if your expression of faith is sincere, they would love to know that there are fellow believers on this forum. Any faith that allows recumbents is fine with me.

If you are just mocking their faith, I doubt they'd be amused. I would not blame them one bit for being offended. Attacks on someone's religious beliefs on a public forum are in decidely poor taste.

You could just go over to the 41 and get their take on it directly if you have the courage.

If you don't, you could just delete your post before someone takes offense.

I'm not offended in the slightest. I just think it's boorish.

[QUOTE=OldTryGuy;16282868]...One should ask for inclusion if joining is desired...QUOTE]

OldTry-This is what I was getting at. I know that it doesn't directly address your original query but you did that quite nicely in your previous post.
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long slow distance or long steady distance?? I have seen (and heard argued) both ways. In the latest issue of Bicycling, they quote Friel as saying "slow" - but I have read arguments pointing to "steady"

Denvr-My reference was to a training method espoused by Joe Henderson for runners and was "long, slow, distance." I was a slow runner as well!