What does N+1 mean and
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What does N+1 mean and
where did the term originate? I think it means a new bike, but where did the terminology come from?
Can you help a newbie understand?
TIA
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Can you help a newbie understand?
TIA
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I think it comes from general math or from geometry:
A+B+C=N
A=Number of bikes in basement
B=Number of bikes in garage
C=Number of bikes in storage
N=Total number of bikes in possession
Therefore N+1 is the number of bikes desired!
A+B+C=N
A=Number of bikes in basement
B=Number of bikes in garage
C=Number of bikes in storage
N=Total number of bikes in possession
Therefore N+1 is the number of bikes desired!
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Where N is the number of bikes that you currently possess, and 1 is the bike that you will next obtain, N+1 is the correct number of bikes that you should possess.
A corollary, sort of, is that because a Backup Bike must be included in the stable, N must be greater than or equal to 2.
A corollary, sort of, is that because a Backup Bike must be included in the stable, N must be greater than or equal to 2.
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Now tell me how you define a "bike".
Is a bike in a box a bike or a storage problem?
If you have a frame and all of the parts but they aren't assembled, is that a bike?
What if you have everything but pedals? Does it still count as a bike? Lots of new bikes come with no pedals.
I HATE when people ask how many bikes I own because I don't know the answer. My wife thinks that she knows, but she's wrong.
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I remember back in the early '80's when BASIC language came standard on Apple computers, if you wanted to count something, you added the line N = N+1" to increase the number of something every time the program went through the loop.
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Other useful nomenclature;
-FLIP IT AND SLAM IT.
-HTFU.
-Tombay.
-pie.
-drope the hamer.
-dial it up to 400W.
-massive guads.
-asploding crabon.
There are others but that hits the most commonly used ones.
-FLIP IT AND SLAM IT.
-HTFU.
-Tombay.
-pie.
-drope the hamer.
-dial it up to 400W.
-massive guads.
-asploding crabon.
There are others but that hits the most commonly used ones.
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And So It goes...
"Be careful what you set your heart upon -- for it will surely be yours." -- James Baldwin
N+1 points to the insufficiency of things to satisfy the deepest longings of human desire...which are to be known and to be loved. Solomon, who had riches and wisdom beyond calculation, observed at the end of his life,
"Better what the eye sees than the roving of the appetite. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
N+1 points to the insufficiency of things to satisfy the deepest longings of human desire...which are to be known and to be loved. Solomon, who had riches and wisdom beyond calculation, observed at the end of his life,
"Better what the eye sees than the roving of the appetite. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
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However..... scattered, lost, damaged, misplaced and mismatched parts and frames do not equal one bike per frame.
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"Be careful what you set your heart upon -- for it will surely be yours." -- James Baldwin
N+1 points to the insufficiency of things to satisfy the deepest longings of human desire...which are to be known and to be loved. Solomon, who had riches and wisdom beyond calculation, observed at the end of his life,
"Better what the eye sees than the roving of the appetite. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
N+1 points to the insufficiency of things to satisfy the deepest longings of human desire...which are to be known and to be loved. Solomon, who had riches and wisdom beyond calculation, observed at the end of his life,
"Better what the eye sees than the roving of the appetite. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
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Upon my last acquisition I realized that I had enough bikes that my wife could no longer tell them apart even considering major paint color differences. This is the "sweet spot", simply get all bike products mailed to the office and casually deliver them back home and you are golden. Is there a formula for the "sweet spot"
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I tend to think of it as "N+m" where "m" is the number of frankenbuilds I'm currently engaged with. Most of the "m" bikes do get built, but some get torn down again before any significant rides.
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Bikes: Not as many as there were awhile ago.
Upon my last acquisition I realized that I had enough bikes that my wife could no longer tell them apart even considering major paint color differences. This is the "sweet spot", simply get all bike products mailed to the office and casually deliver them back home and you are golden. Is there a formula for the "sweet spot"
and asked "WHOSE BIKE IS THIS?!"
BUSTED!
Quickly followed by, "How many does this one make?" Of course I didn't count the three that haven't been assembled yet since technically they're just parts.
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Bikes: N+1=5
The corollary to this is that your D bike will cost you two times what you thought it would in order to make it the D-1 bike since you have to buy another one of equal value for your cyclist wife. Or if not a cyclist, then something of equal or greater value.
J.
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I would have thought it came from the world of statistics where n = sample size.
I saw it applied to kayaks the other day. A friend who also is a cyclist (and frame builder) acquired another double sea kayak to go with the one he and his wife already have. He posted that if n+1 can be used for bikes, it can also for kayaks.
I saw it applied to kayaks the other day. A friend who also is a cyclist (and frame builder) acquired another double sea kayak to go with the one he and his wife already have. He posted that if n+1 can be used for bikes, it can also for kayaks.
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^^ this.
The corollary to this is that your D bike will cost you two times what you thought it would in order to make it the D-1 bike since you have to buy another one of equal value for your cyclist wife. Or if not a cyclist, then something of equal or greater value.
J.
The corollary to this is that your D bike will cost you two times what you thought it would in order to make it the D-1 bike since you have to buy another one of equal value for your cyclist wife. Or if not a cyclist, then something of equal or greater value.
J.
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Correct as far as it goes.
Now tell me how you define a "bike".
Is a bike in a box a bike or a storage problem?
If you have a frame and all of the parts but they aren't assembled, is that a bike?
What if you have everything but pedals? Does it still count as a bike? Lots of new bikes come with no pedals.
I HATE when people ask how many bikes I own because I don't know the answer. My wife thinks that she knows, but she's wrong.
Now tell me how you define a "bike".
Is a bike in a box a bike or a storage problem?
If you have a frame and all of the parts but they aren't assembled, is that a bike?
What if you have everything but pedals? Does it still count as a bike? Lots of new bikes come with no pedals.
I HATE when people ask how many bikes I own because I don't know the answer. My wife thinks that she knows, but she's wrong.
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My vote for historical origin of N+1.
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That is absolutely great. The Queen of Sheba even found that funny and suggested that much of scripture could be livened up with bicycle references. I'm looking for a sermon in there somewhere.
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Upon my last acquisition I realized that I had enough bikes that my wife could no longer tell them apart even considering major paint color differences. This is the "sweet spot", simply get all bike products mailed to the office and casually deliver them back home and you are golden. Is there a formula for the "sweet spot"
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