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Old 06-29-14 | 09:00 AM
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Looking for a 13x27 cassette

I've posted this in Road Cycling but have gotten few responses. Just wondering if folks in the 50+ forum might be more inclined to be using something like this cassette with a 50x34 crankset. I'm currently running a 10-spd 12x25 cassette with my SRAM Red 50x34 crankset. A typical club B ride was like yesterday's. We did 52 miles with 3800 ft. of climbing at 14.2 mph. I don't have much use for my 50x12 and a 34x27 would help with climbing. So, a couple questions.....does anyone make a 13x 27? Will a Shimano cassette work with my SRAM setup?

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I've posted this in Road Cycling but have gotten few responses.
This sort of inquiry does best in the "Mechanics" sub-forum if one can past the guff of some who post there.

Here's how, but it takes two 10 spd Shimano cassettes, a CS6600 "Junior" & a 5700.

13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25
12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-27

Use the "bottom" 3-cog 21-24-27 on the Junior cassette which was designed to shift to a 21 8th position anyway.
Use the lockring from the CS6600, custom 13-27 Done. SRAM/Shimano are compatible.

edit: And you get a 12-25 as a bonus!

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I think you are out of luck for Shimano or Sram. (edit--that's interesting to combine the two cassettes. And you would get the 18 cog!)

I think it's a marketing decision to not offer 13-28 or 13-29 on Shimano. It would be very useful for a lot of riders. And the new wide range cassettes are often 11-30 or 11-32. The 11 is totally useless, and there's big speed gaps between shifts.

I have a Campagnolo 10-speed drive train. So I can get a 13-29 cog set. It's not supposed to work with a short cage derailleur, but it's fine on many bikes.
The only time I miss having a 50-12 high gear is on medium grade downhills, where I want to pedal to increase my speed past 32-33 mph. I start spinning out the 50-13 at about that speed. That's very rare--coasting downhill is fine for me at that speed.

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I was using a 13-26 cassette. It has an 18 cog, which I liked a lot. I'm pushing hard if I'm at 18-20 mph, so it was great to have 1 mph jumps between shifts. I could get the exact cadence I wanted.

At 90 rpm:
50-19 is 18.5 mph
50-18 is 19.5 mph
50-17 is 20.6 mph.

But I've kept the 13-29 on the bike, since I use the 34-29 low gear a lot on hills over 7-8%. And I'll even use it on 4-5% grades to spin up at 95 rpm.

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The Shimano 12-25 10 speed is:
12 13 14 15 16 17 19 21 23 25
Shimano 12-27 10 speed. The same except the two lowest gears.
12 13 14 15 16 17 19 21 24 27

Campagnolo 13-26 10 speed:
13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 23 26
Campagnolo 13-29 10 speed. It drops the 18 cog and adds a 29 cog.
13 14 15 16 17 19 21 23 26 29

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Shimano cassettes should work with SRAM. Is 50x43 a typo?
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Here is a source for the Shimano Junior cassette: Shimano CS-6600 Wide 10 Speed Cassette - Normal Shipping Ground
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If you're mostly interested in the 27 or 28 tooth sprocket, you can easily find a 12-27 or 12-28 cassette. Just don't use the 12. If you really want a 13-27, there are companies that make cassettes that allow you to customize each cog, but they cost more.
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Shimano cassettes should work with SRAM. Is 50x43 a typo?
yes. Thanks.
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If you're mostly interested in the 27 or 28 tooth sprocket, you can easily find a 12-27 or 12-28 cassette. Just don't use the 12. If you really want a 13-27, there are companies that make cassettes that allow you to customize each cog, but they cost more.
Might have to take one of those suggestions. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by bruce19
I've posted this in Road Cycling but have gotten few responses. Just wondering if folks in the 50+ forum might be more inclined to be using something like this cassette with a 50x34 crankset. I'm currently running a 10-spd 12x25 cassette with my SRAM Red 50x34 crankset. A typical club B ride was like yesterday's. We did 52 miles with 3800 ft. of climbing at 14.2 mph. I don't have much use for my 50x12 and a 34x27 would help with climbing. So, a couple questions.....does anyone make a 13x 27? Will a Shimano cassette work with my SRAM setup?
As noted in prior posts, there are numerous options for cassettes with a low cog of 27 or more. However, you need to check the capacity of you current RD. If you go from 25 to 27,or more, you may need a different RD. Since you have SRAM, I recomment their WiFLi (https://www.sram.com/sram/road/technologies/wifli) RD. This will give you more than enough capacity. You will also need to replace the chain since the larger cog will require a longer chain.
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Another suggestion is to switch out cassettes as needed. You need a chain whip and a cassette removal tool, but the job takes 10 minutes and you don't need to adjust the derailleur if switching within brands. I use corncob cogsets (11-23) when in Illinois and use a 12-27 or 12-30 for hilly century rides.
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Originally Posted by Bandera
This sort of inquiry does best in the "Mechanics" sub-forum if one can past the guff of some who post there.

Here's how, but it takes two 10 spd Shimano cassettes, a CS6600 "Junior" & a 5700.

13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25
12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-27

Use the "bottom" 3-cog 21-24-27 on the Junior cassette which was designed to shift to a 21 8th position anyway.
Use the lockring from the CS6600, custom 13-27 Done. SRAM/Shimano are compatible.

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There ya go. And that's how to do that.
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As noted in prior posts, there are numerous options for cassettes with a low cog of 27 or more. However, you need to check the capacity of you current RD. If you go from 25 to 27,or more, you may need a different RD. Since you have SRAM, I recomment their WiFLi (https://www.sram.com/sram/road/technologies/wifli) RD. This will give you more than enough capacity. You will also need to replace the chain since the larger cog will require a longer chain.
I don't think that SRAM has made a road RD that won't handle a 27t cog.

As an aside, you and I have probably the only two Look 585s (mine's an Optimum) in a 500 mile radius.
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For the OP or others trying to come up with an unavailable or unlikely cassette, Universal Cycles has individual cogs to customize gearing. Universal Cycles -- Cassettes & Cogs
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For the OP or others trying to come up with an unavailable or unlikely cassette, Universal Cycles has individual cogs to customize gearing. Universal Cycles -- Cassettes & Cogs
Their amazing selection of Shimano 10spd cassette cogs is Two, a 12T or an 11T.
Can't get there w/ that.

It's a far cry from "back when" one could peruse the cog board & build a 14-18, 13-32 or whatever as a matter of course.
Still I can live w/ 10 gears out back and a couple of chainrings or three instead of a total of 10.

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