madfolder

Oyama has been building bikes for 50 years and folders for 30 years with many design and innovation awards behind them. I have met the founder and toured the factory. They have full manufacturing in house with rigid quality control.

The Skyline In7B I've ridden and it is sweet, and I was amazed at the price. They use C-Drive instead of gates, which saves money. I also like no proprietary derailleurs. No one has distributed this global brand in the US until Foldaway Solutions

tcs

Dahon Ios D9 knockoff?

tcs

IIRC the US-market Breezer i3 was a rebadged Oyama Space Genie.

tds101 

How do you know it's not a rebranding of an Oyama bike? Dahon doesn't make everything original.

tcs

Know, like for dead certain fact? Don't. But ya know, Dahon did show that bike @ Interbike 2009, and it's a 24" version of a swoopy hydroformed frame Tern claimed in 2011 was exclusive because they had it patented (in Lithuania? But when the dust settled after the Tern/Dahon lawsuits, Dahon kept right on offering it.) Then Yan did say Oyama 'borrowed' ideas.

If you have any cited source that indicates Oyama originated that bike in 2007/8 and offered it to Dahon and then Tern (their Eclipse model), I'm sure the folding community would find it interesting.

tds101 

I like the bike. It looks well made, and it would suit my needs. And apparently these companies copy each other all the time. ALL "borrow" from one another at one​ time or another. As long as it's not a straight up patent issue I have no problems with it. Others may have issues,...I don't.

As to the Tern vs Dahon debacle, that's old news.

Also, don't ask me to cite sources for proving/disproving that Oyama is first to design this folder, as I didn't claim they did. You're asking for a fact I never claimed existed. I stated that Dahon isn't always original with their designs. My comment was more of a question. They are a leader in the folding bike community, but there's tech that's now shared by many. I do luv the Curl though.