It looks very much like a 2016 Riese&Müller World Birdy Sport (same color, same design) with:
➜ Shimano 8-speed derailleur
➜ Mudguards and kickstand
➜ Weight: 11.9 kg
➜ Gear ratio: 2.57 to 7.04 m

Good point for a tall rider, it has the sport 21degree stem and should have a 56x11 transmission (a little better than the usual 52x11).

The The Pacific Cycles New Birdy Classic also 8 speed Shimano, also the old chain tensioner but with semi-integrated headset (not necessarily an advantage), also rim brakes, without mudguards, without kickstand is announced at 10.9kg and cost 1390USD + shipment + taxes.

If you provide me your Email, I have the R&M 2016 catalog with this bike in it and all specs in .pdf

A Birdy R20 11SP with 11 speed, monocoque frame and disc brake is better (but V-brake should provide enough braking power) but he price isn't the same !

To have an idea of the used Birdy prices in Europe, look here: https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-birdy/k0

Birdy Disc Hubs
 

Hi guys, I saw somewhere in this thread that the front hub is Birdy-specific? Meaning i can't use any ol' DT Swiss 350 disc hubs for my Birdy? Can someone enlighten me pls

The front hub of the Birdy is 100mm wide so its standard width.

But the Birdy disc has his disc placed on the right side of the bike at a distance from the dropout which is similar to the distance from the dropout of a rear disc while the usual front disc is closer to the left dropout.

So, its not possible to use a reversed standard disc front hub on a Birdy disc, it requires a specific hub.

The rim brake Birdy use standard front hubs.

Birdy bullhorn
 

Does anyone here use their birdy on bullhorn bar? I’ve always wanted to convert my 2014 new classic to bullhorn, attached is my current state birdy

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im using 10 speed shimano 105 5600 series for the most of the GS and wondering what parts do i need to convert it to bullhorn.

Brompton front luggage block adapter for Birdy III. Probably can only live in sample stage. Too expensive to sell.

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Now that is a good idea and very well executed. Thanks for posting it.

Why would this be so expensive ?

Valeria is selling a front block adapter for bicycle with a 35mm head tube for 60€

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4750c4fca2.jpg


This Birdy adapter shouldn't be much more expensive and I think there would be a lot of Birdy owner interested.

And what folder could you mount that on?

you can mount Valéria mount in any folder.
Just mount it on folding handlepost.
it will afect stering as any other basket.

It will be perfect suitted for stridas and moultons

Oh, yes for those bikes it works. It looks perfect for moulton. I was thinking for bikes like my Xootr.

Moulton head tube is only 32mm, it doesn't fit perfectly.

Shimming is close enough.

The effort on the front bloc is very high, it must be very rigidly attached to the head tube/frame otherwise it induces shimmy in the steering of the bike.

3mm difference is a lot.

If I still had a moulton I would try it. 1.5 thickness metal shim just might do it.

I saw this on the FB Birdy community page yesterday. Really nice concept and would be popular with Birdy owners. Everyone keeps saying it will be too expensive to manufacture but don't actually state what the cost to manufacture is? The designer could also try approaching established 3rd party accessory manufacturers like Litepro and license the design to them. I could see Litepro bringing this to market. The original designer does not seem to have been identified either.

Why doesn't Pacific Cycles simply offer a front luggage block?
Can't they create a frame with a front luggage mount (optional)?
Does Brompton have legal ownership of this design?

I do not think that Brompton has any legal ownership on it.

Other manufacturers have a Brompton front block mount on their bike: Bike Friday, Tyrell, Seattle Cycle...

Just adding a front block mount on the head tube of the Birdy and mounting a standard Brompton block has some limitations on the type of bag usable.

With the sport 21 degree stem, only low (260mm) frame bags can be used. A high frame (300mm) will hit the stem.

The above showed adapter changes the angle of the block wrt. the head tube and place the block a little further away from the stem to avoid this limitation.

One possible reason is that this would be a deviation from the Birdy design. If Pacific is making Birdys on a license from R&M, they may not approve. I don't think the two bolt holes are a design Brompton owns, at least Tern uses it. I have seen that on a Tern bought in Germany. (This is guessing, I don't know the legal arrangements.) Then again, there is is the titanium Birdy, which is a pretty major deviation.

Another reason is that Birdys can mount two front panniers, so there is less need. But I agree the Brompton style block is a good design. Doesn't affect the steering much.

The Tern front block is different from the Brompton one.

But the Bike Friday and Tyrell one are exactly the same and meant to use a Brompton front block.

The 3 titanium Birdy versions are completely different bike, they share nothing with the aluminum Birdy and also are different from each other.

Some could argue that these were produced in a very small amount and not available to the mainstream public.

But the New Birdy Classic which is produced by Pacific Cycles only is also a different design and is a mainstream product. There is also the new eBirdy from Pacific Cycles only.

So, I do not think that Pacific Cycles cannot make modifications to the Birdy.

The low rider and front bag are different things used mainly for different purposes: the low rider is more meant for travel while the front bag is in first instance meant for daily use, commuting...

The Brompton style front bag is handy for touring too, I used a handlepost mounted bag for that in addition to front panniers, because of the limited capacity of the rear rack. But front panniers are less likely to be used by commuters, yes.

Pacific have done modifications, but do they have the freedom to make any change they like and still call it a Birdy? That would surprise me. I would expect R&M to approve or deny changes before Pacific can make them. But who knows.

Indeed, the question is who owns the Birdy brand name ?

R&M designed the original Birdy but couldn't produce it nor finance its production by a third party.

Pacific Cycles invested in the production of the Birdy.

So, it would be normal that Pacific Cycles would also have some ownership of the Birdy brand.

It would be strange that R&M approved the 3 generations of titanium Birdy that use the Birdy brand name but are 100% different from the aluminum Birdy and fully designed by Pacific Cycles without any participation of R&M (they do not share any part of design of any part with the aluminum Birdy: the main frame, front fort and rear arm are totally different) ?

When the 3rd generation Birdy was presented at Taipei bicycle show, Pacific Cycles representative explained that it is a 100% Pacific Cycle new design and that this design could be the reused for the next generation aluminum Classic Birdy what would mean that Pacific Cycles has ome freedom to design Birdy models.

Right, that would be a valid reason to sell off some/all of the rights to control the brand/design, indeed.

Strange that R&M would approve it? No, given the Birdy is a high-end, pricy folder, the even costlier high-tech titanium edition would be "on-brand" for them.
Strange that Pacific should depend on R&M for approval? Depends on the the details of the agreement, which afaik we don't have.

In any case, it seems there's nothing legal stopping R&M/Pacific (whoever controls it) from adding Brompton style block fittings. There could be technical reasons - like strength/weight/manufacturing considerations in aluminium vs. steel frames, or interference with dynamo lights, or with brake/shift cables (I see Brompton routes the cables behind the head tube). Or the designers don't want it for stylistic reasons. Or they simply haven't gotten around to it yet.

Approval of the TI Birdy means also to take some responsibility if the design has some problems.

It seems to me difficult for R&M to take any responsibility of a design they didn't participate to at all.

What they could do is approve it from a marketing point of view.

There is also the eBirdy that is a Pacific Cycles design. This one use the Zehus integrated motor wheel that has some conceptual issues. I doubt that R&M who is focusing on high end eBikes would approve the choice of the Zehus system.

Thank you to everyone for replying and sharing your knowledge of the topic. A front luggage block on a Birdy bike, with the sports stem, would not work due to the geometry of the design; correct?

​​​​​​If it's true that a front luggage block on a sports stem Birdy has space Clearance Issues (i.e. it's a failure), then is there any point in discussing this at all? :-)
If a small luggage bag *can* fit on a front block, then I would imagine proper drilling or industrial adhesive may work to affix a block.

Please share if a block can accommodate a front bag, on a sports stem Birdy.

The sports stem would impair the usefulness of the block but a small bag or perhaps the dual pannier rack or some such. Ideally a lug for the block would be brazed or welded during manufacturing.

I think it can work, but there are some potential problems that they'd have to consider when designing it. Interference with the sports stem can be avoided by giving attached bags a more vertical angle, and maybe making the block a little longer (but that increases the stress on the frame). Interference with brake/shift cables must be tested. Extra bending is one thing, another is rubbing from vibration, which can wear holes in the cables pretty quickly. And you have to make sure not to snag cables on the block when folding the stem, which could kink the cables. Finally the bags cannot be placed so low that they block the dynamo light, which sits next to the front spring.

A third party might not consider all aspects - for instance if it is designed with Pacific Birdys in mind, they may not consider dynamo lights, if those Birdys don't have that option (not sure). The Birdy designers must consider all of it.

If you look at the picture of the adapter showed by Bikegang, it does what Glye is saying: a more vertical angle to the block.

The sport stem is compatible with the bags wit a 260mm high frame but not with he bags with a 300mm high frame and of course not with frame with a hard plastic handle like the old S-bag, T-bag and C-bag. But its not a big issue, because the frame of these bags can be replaced by the same size without hard plastic handle. I use a S-bag with a frame without hard plastic handle.

Note that all new Brompton bags do not have a frame with hard plastic handle (this handle was also a problem to use bags with 300mm high on the S type Brompton).

It will work with the Brompton QFCFA-400x260 frame.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c8f46c9a4a.jpg

It won't work with the QFCFA-400x300 or any frame with hard plastic handle like QFCFAH-400x260.

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I actually think R&M is not solidly invested in the Birdy like it was in the 1990s and 2000s. Spares are difficult to find outside Asia [especially for mk1s, and now aftermarket companies in Sing. and Japan and Taiwan have more than R&M] , prices are still high, the company is big on electric bikes, and I heard about the shift to more electrics in an interview online with either R or M, forget which.
Pacific Cycles, meanwhile, are innovating strongly and close to the main markets in Asia.
And do not forget that the Philippine company Rhine got the moulds to make Mark 1 Birdys, [they used their own name on them] and did a decent product - not sure they are still going, but I guess that was a license agreement.
I have often wondered why so many Birdy classics are branded as Peugeot in Asia. I have one from 1996 branded as 'Jeep', bought form California, but Pacific and R&M shut that down pretty quickly.
There are people from Pacific Cycles on the BGF on Facebook that could answer these questions. I believe PC are still not allowed to sell frames separately, or rear swingarms or forks.

I agree with you: R&M is indeed not focusing a lot anymore on the Birdy what gives more space to Pacific Cycles to develop the Birdy.

The only thing I think that would make this change is if R&M decide to develop a eBirdy what would also make sense because there is a demand for electric assist folding bikes, there is little offer for assisted folders and the eBike market becomes slowly saturated with a lot of manufacturers.
R&M with the Birdy has an excellent base to develop an assisted folder.

I too suspect R&M are moving away from Birdy. The UK dealer network is very quiet with few Birdys left in stock.

Unfortunately I also think the chance of an e-Birdy has been and gone. They sold one for a couple of years but suspect they were too early to market. I doubt they will try again which is a shame because the frame design gives plenty of places to hide a battery.

I’m selling my 11sp Birdy as working from home mostly these days. On UK eBay if anyone is interested!