R&M Birdy is sold in four colours including white. I don't know if anyone will ship them to "Pacific areas".
https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/bikes/birdy/

"GT is good for all terrains" - well, the tires can handle gravel, but no Birdy should be used for offroading. The frame isn't strong enough for that, and the small wheels make the impacts harder. (You may be well aware, I'm just saying it for safety's sake.)

True, for that you need a Wigry folder:
trev

Spy shot ... This is a more reasonable design for the market. Original 3 pcs only CNC machined will cost over $200 just for production.
#BirdyXBrompton #BIKEgang

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Is this SS or Al?

Alluminum alloy

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BIRDY P40 Pacific Cycles 40th Anniversary Edition

Official full video for the P40 here:

Not much else on their website. Not yet anyway.

Spec sheet

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So, its a new main frame that according to the video will replace the Birdy 3.

The fork is the same as on the Birdy 3 and as consequence he front suspension is also the same.

The rear swing arm looks also the same as on the Birdy 3 with the same PU suspension.

This mainframe doesn't seem to be monocoque anymore, its made of several tubes with an hydroformed main tube.

The components are pretty low end. Wheels are still ETRTO355.

Its absolutely not a competitor of the high end Birdy R20 11SP.

The question now is: is this new frame Pacific Cycles only or will it also come to the R&M Birdy ?

I'm wondering if the frame change was done to make it cheaper? If so, not bad as long as it doesn't get weaker or much heavier.

The 52t narrow-wide chainring is afaik not a common part, and as it is marked Birdy it may be a fully custom part. Somewhat odd choice. I haven't heard about trouble with dropped chains on the Birdy. Of course some people like the look of chainrings without chainguard.

The TRP mechanicals look like Spyke, or Spyre according to the description ("road"). Either way, this is a high end mechanical brake. I use the Spyke on two bikes, and it's been excellent.

The 11-32 cassette is very narrow range and won't be great for either the fastest or the slowest riders. But in flat cities it may be enough for most.

The monocoque curve in the frame probably imparts some strength as a structural member with camber. The new frame which is straight maybe relying on some internal structure for that strength. The overall geometry is different and the bottom bracket appears to sit lower. Would be nice to have a side by side comparison with the Birdy 3 frame and this new one. The rear swing arm looks a little different and may have to be if the overall geometry is different in the main frame. All speculation for now until someone actually gets one and does a comparison. Without a dealer in the US and with only a few limited shops like Bfold that can help import a bike, those of us in the US may have to wait a long time.

Pacific Cycles claims that this frame will only be used for this limited edition.

But this is strange because looking at the components list show that this P40 is clearly not an high end version of the Birdy and usually, limited editions sold at a high price are high end bikes !?

All that mess make me think that there was a problem somewhere.

For instance that Pacific Cycles developed this new frame alone without having an agreement of R&M and that R&M blocked its commercialization for something else than a limited edition.

It looks like a mixed bag to me. Brakes are high end. The narrow-wide chainring is high-end or at least expensive to make in small numbers. The crankset is unknown, looks kind of high end but hard to say. The bolt circle diameter looks small for a 52t chainring, so I'm wondering what choices lie behind this crankset/chainring combination. Schwalbe tires are high-end in general, but we don't know which ones they're using. Own-brand hubs are probably mid/low-end. Rim, mid-end. Tiagra groupset, low/mid-end. IMHO.

Given how much a custom frame costs, it does seem strange to make a special frame for a limited edition bike. It makes the bike expensive even if the parts aren't all high-end, which I would think is hard to sell. It would be interesting to know more about the choices behind it.

Brakes are high end... for mechanical disc brakes. But not expensive at all. R&M mount hydraulic disc brakes on their Birdy.

Tiagra is for me definitely low end. Mid-end is Shimano 105.

Choice of transmission with 52x11-32 is also low end now and with a limited range.

Wheels are definitely low end = like on all normal Birdy versions. Very far from the Hubsmith wheels of the Birdy 11SP (both version, previous ETRTO 355 wheeled and current ETRTO 406 wheeled).

And indeed, making a (at least partially, fork is unchanged) aluminum new frame just for a limited edition is strange especially when nothing is said about any benefit of this new frame compared to the previous one (if we compare with the Ti Birdy, there was a lot of communication about the benefit of the Ti frame).

Again, when I look at this Birdy P40, it looks like an aborted tentative of making a Birdy 4. When you read the FB comments of Pacific Cycles in September, it was clear that this was a first appearance of a Birdy 4 while now Paciifc Cycles is clearly saying that there will be no Birdy 4 before 2025..

It's not an evolutionary design. There's also no accommodation for 20" wheels by redesigning to make it easier to have wider 20" wheels and be able to install fenders, etc. It's not all that different than the Birdy 3, so why bother buying this when you can get a R20? That new frame design is not better from an aesthetic point of view from the monocoque frame. So other than having money to splurge and being able to say you have a limited addition P40, what's the incentive?
The delay in rolling this out after posting the teaser photos in September points to lack of organization for what should have been a major rollout. Probably some internal chaos and some issues with R&M but all speculation. Not unless someone within the organization is willing to let us in on what happened and the likelihood of that is slim.

Just checked: The Shimano Deore T6000 set which is on my R&M Birdy, costs about 47 € for one caliper and lever. The TRP Spyke caliper is about 59 €, and the lever is about 19 €, total 78 €. With two brakes it's more than 60 € more expensive than the Shimano hydraulics R&M use, unless Pacific have gotten a very good deal, or it's some new lower cost TRP brake I haven't heard of.

(Another question is personal preference of mech vs. hydro. I have mixed experience with Deore hydro, some leaking badly even with professional servicing, others performing perfectly year after year. The Spyke works very well. But of course it needs manual adjustment, which the hydros don't. Opinions will vary. I have kept the Deores on my Birdy, but if they also start leaking I may switch to Spyke, as I did on another bike.)

The Brompton front block adapter for Birdy 2 and 3 is now available from H&H.


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New folding stem onto old MK1 Birdy?
 

Hi guys

Unfortunately I can't get to local bike shops at the moment. Nonetheless, I'm rescuing a Mk1 Birdy blue and have sourced a newer model folding stem (black). I was told it should fit the old models? I'm hesitant to do it myself as I feel that it needs a headset press. Also I don't know if I need a specific low-stack headset as it seems the new design to the stem incorporates a headset race/ top cap actually on the stem? Does anyone know of Birdy or perhaps Brompton specialists in North West UK (Lancaster/Preston/Lakes area?)? I bought the parts from Cycle Heaven in York but I don't really want to take it all the way over there. Any pointers on how to install would be great. Thanks Jack

What if this was a beta version of the next generation due for 2025 ? This would allow Pacific Cycle to have some real world feedback before committing to the new design.

I actually put a brand new (2018) stem on a Mk1 (c 2001) when I lived in Lancaster! I bought it from Fudge Cycles in London and I had no problems at all. All components were compatible. Perhaps you have one of the really old Mk1s (c1995) which had a thing like a seat clamp on the stem, but I recall that somehow that all fit together too. Of course, if you do need a new headset or want to upgrade [the original headsets sold back then in the UK were pretty average] that bike shop at the lower end of town in Lancaster can do it. They were used to me coming in, and even rebuilt 18 inch wheels, somewhat reluctantly. I used a LitePro Birdy headset to upgrade. Still going well in Australia, where the weather is substantially better than Lancs/Cumbria of course. Simon

swing arm broken
 

Hello everybody,
i come sadly to you because my beloved Birdy, bought second hand in France, had been pushed by a car, and the swing arm, or rear triangle is now not well..

Is it worth it to find a rear swing arm and replace it..?
i'm into sadness now....

Sorry to hear this! I would find an expert to check the rest of the bike. Even then there is some danger. There could be other damage that you can't see. Aluminium frames don't like bending!

Thanks Simon. Was it The Edge cycleworks near the bus station? Bit of a lockdown on LBSs at the moment but hope to revisit this project soon. Perhaps I could email you some pictures via email regarding the headset situation - can't do it on here as I haven't posted enough. Would be interested in some advice nonetheless. Cheers Jack

yes the Edge. Really mountain and road bikers, but anyway. here I am The Home Page of Simon PJ Batterbury

Mine got cracks. I paid about €200, maybe €260 to import a secondhand one from Japan. I got the tip that it was available, by posting a request on Birdy Global Community on Facebook. There is a guy there right now who says he is buying a Mk3 rear end and front forks on Ebay. The parts are manufactured in Taiwan and Pacific Cycles do not sell them separately. Another person in BGC said try Taobao website where there are some parts [it is in Chinese, do not know if they ship overseas but probably] .

Mighty Velo bike store in Singapore has posted details and price for the P40:
https://www.mightyvelo.com/birdy-p40/

Same info as posted by bike.gang.uk above but has photos not seen before. Not much else. About a USD $490 difference in price between this limited edition of 1,000 vs the Birdy R20.

The Malaysian guy who said to try Taobao was giving out incorrect info. He claimed that Rhine might have been producing frames for Pacific Cycles. In fact Pacific Cycles has nothing to do with Rhine China. PC has their own factory in Taiwan, given PC itself is an OEM manufacturer for other bike companies. Rhine bike frames also have slightly different geometry in comparing to the original Birdys, though some of their parts are interchangeable. Basically Rhine is a Chinese knock off of PC Birdy. I should have corrected that guy in the thread, LOL.

FYI, Taobao is like the Amazon in China. For foreigners you can use Aliexpress as an alternative.

I don't see your location in your message or profile, but:


(1) If you are looking for repairs or mods, I got very good service on my Birdy from Tromm Tweewielers in Amsterdam. Some bike shops only work "by the book", but they were clever at finding a a way to fit fenders on a older Birdy that wasn't designed to accommodate them.


(2) Another poster mentioned Taobao. I'm not in China, I don;t speak or read Chinese, and have bought things on Taobao, but it's not a "buy it now" website like eBay. It's more a forum for ads, like Craigslist, where you have to haggle on WeChat about the details of the transaction. If you aren't located in China and don't speak tro read Chinese, you will probably need to go through a "Taobao agent". You tell the egewnt what you are looking for, they find it (if it is availabel) and negotiate the price. If yoy agree to the price, thyey have the item delivered to their office in Cghian, and re-ship it to you. Better agents charge higher fees, but if you can't find the item locally, or the price difference is huge, it is sometimes worth it. I used this company in Hong Kong in 2017: https://www.myobook.co

More detailed photos for P40. The frame looks better with less welding marks. **********?? jesler bicycles
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H&H Brompton front carrier block adapter tested !

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