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Old 05-06-10 | 04:44 PM
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Thanks Lucille, let's give this a shot:
Oh, nice! I was considering this colour, but ended up upgrading seat post and getting the folding stem instead.
What is that stuff attached to your stem, with the wires?
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Good evening to you all,

Now that this post has become more congratulatory than anything else (of which I give you congratulations on as well), I thought I could steer this conversation to assist me.

I have been a road cyclist for the last three years, and have been considering getting a Bike Friday World traveler. I have been doing a lot of reading about them, and think that they might be the right fit for me.

Here are my questions:

Would anyone recommend getting this bike for touring long distances?

Are they dramatically slower than a typical road bike?

Can they handle the weight of panniers?

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1: Absolutely YES!! Check BF's website for ride reports from long distance owners

2: Only if the gearing is still 53/39 rather than something like 60/50 to make up for the small wheels. Some BFNWs use the Capreo system to account for this.

3: Absolutely YES, if fact they handle panniers better than full size tourers because the smaller wheels are stronger and the load sits lower, improving the balance of the ride for the rider.
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Old 05-07-10 | 04:10 AM
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Oh, nice! I was considering this colour, but ended up upgrading seat post and getting the folding stem instead.
What is that stuff attached to your stem, with the wires?
Thanks! I've found the colour scheme to be a bit muted, most people would go with white lettering on red background but my fav colours are red and black so I stuck with that.

Hrmm...not sure which wiring you're referring to but the stuff on the stem itself is for a battery for my Dinotte 400L light on the handlebars, then there is the Rohloff shifter wiring from the right drop and there is the wiring from the bike computer.

Now that I know how to attach pics, I am going to take a few more shots over the next day or so after some cleaning and post it on the original thread I had about ordering a BF NWT. Those may clear up any confusion about what is on the bike.
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Old 05-11-10 | 12:52 PM
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I have been looking at your drop bars... it seems to me they would be far more comfortable if the top part leading to the levers was at least horizontal or even slightly upwards. Downwards like in your pic they can't be of much help.

Mine need a bit of adjustment too. Hoods are fine but drops are wrong angle.
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Old 05-11-10 | 02:25 PM
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Lucille if you are not used to drop bars they may take some getting used to, but they are quite nice once you have them dialed. I run my drops so the flat part behind the brake hoods is flat, but I mount the hoods fairly high on the bend.

There are quite a few adjustments you can make to your hand position:

- rotation of drops up and down
- length of stem
- placement of brake hoods
- bar tape + extra padding

It's worth spending some time playing with the options to find out what works for you. I've met happy riders that had their drops setup in every possible variation. There really is no right answer. Don't be afraid to strip the bar tape off your bars and move the bar and the levers around a bit until you find out what makes you happy. Swapping in a different length/rise of stem is cheap and can also make a big difference depending on how you feel about the height and reach to the bars.

Lastly many riders will use a double layer of cork bar tape or a single layer of tape with some gel padding underneath. If your hands get sore or numb that's something to consider.

Your bikes look great...take the time to adjust them to your body and they'll make you very happy.
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Old 05-11-10 | 05:04 PM
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Thanks for advice, Vik. I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately we've been having so much rain and cold weather, that I haven't had a chance to take the bike for a real test ride yet.
How easy is it to change the position of hoods? I know I can take it back to the dealer to have it done, but would prefer to learn to look after it myself, so I don't have to run to the store with every little thing. I don't mind having to change the tape, I could go for one in different colour.

I will first move the drops up and see if it feels any better. This weekend, hopefully.

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Old 05-11-10 | 05:11 PM
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Thanks! I've found the colour scheme to be a bit muted, most people would go with white lettering on red background but my fav colours are red and black so I stuck with that.

Hrmm...not sure which wiring you're referring to but the stuff on the stem itself is for a battery for my Dinotte 400L light on the handlebars, then there is the Rohloff shifter wiring from the right drop and there is the wiring from the bike computer.

Now that I know how to attach pics, I am going to take a few more shots over the next day or so after some cleaning and post it on the original thread I had about ordering a BF NWT. Those may clear up any confusion about what is on the bike.
It's probably the battery, I was thinking about.

Yes, please post more pics!
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Old 05-11-10 | 05:31 PM
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Thanks for advice, Vik. I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately we've been having so much rain and cold weather, that I haven't had a chance to take the bike for a real test ride yet.
How easy is it to change the position of hoods? I know I can take it back to the dealer to have it done, but would prefer to learn to look after it myself, so I don't have to run to the store with every little thing. I don't mind having to change the tape, I could go for one in different colour.

I will first move the drops up and see if it feels any better. This weekend, hopefully.

Thanks again!
It's not hard Lucille...I'd recommend you get a decent bike repair book and some basic tools...MEC/REI will carry everything you need.
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Old 05-11-10 | 05:38 PM
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It's not hard Lucille...I'd recommend you get a decent bike repair book and some basic tools...MEC/REI will carry everything you need.
I should have all the tools I need, but will look for the book, thanks. One downside of having a really friendly bike shop is, that you never learn to do anything by yourself.
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OK, I had a chance to move the handlebars up quite a bit, and they feel much better, it's also easier to reach for the shifters.
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But I'm still not comfortable moving my hands under the bar to reach for the breaks. It feels really awkward and like I won't have enough time to break. And are all hoods standard size? I feel like my hand is too small to comfortable reach for breaks (no, I don't have freakishly small hands ;-)

I'm thinking it's just that I'm not familiar with using drops(I've only ever used flat bars) and hope it I will get used to them. I'm going for a longer ride this weekend, hopefully I won't end up getting totally frustrated and walking my bike...
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Old 05-13-10 | 04:42 PM
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OK, I had a chance to move the handlebars up quite a bit, and they feel much better, it's also easier to reach for the shifters.
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But I'm still not comfortable moving my hands under the bar to reach for the breaks. It feels really awkward and like I won't have enough time to break. And are all hoods standard size? I feel like my hand is too small to comfortable reach for breaks (no, I don't have freakishly small hands ;-)

I'm thinking it's just that I'm not familiar with using drops(I've only ever used flat bars) and hope it I will get used to them. I'm going for a longer ride this weekend, hopefully I won't end up getting totally frustrated and walking my bike...
I apply my brakes by pulling on the brake levers with my thumb still hooked over the hoods. Just sorta reach around kinda. It takes some getting used too.
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Old 05-13-10 | 05:17 PM
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OK, I had a chance to move the handlebars up quite a bit, and they feel much better, it's also easier to reach for the shifters.
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But I'm still not comfortable moving my hands under the bar to reach for the breaks. It feels really awkward and like I won't have enough time to break. And are all hoods standard size? I feel like my hand is too small to comfortable reach for breaks (no, I don't have freakishly small hands ;-)

I'm thinking it's just that I'm not familiar with using drops(I've only ever used flat bars) and hope it I will get used to them. I'm going for a longer ride this weekend, hopefully I won't end up getting totally frustrated and walking my bike...
You should be able to brake by grabbing the levers from the hoods....you shouldn't have to move your hands much....I typically ride with my thumbs hooked over the hoods and my fingers loose down on each side of the levers...braking just takes a small hand movement.

If I am bombing downhill fast I'll move to the drops and be in a position to brake harder.
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Old 05-13-10 | 05:34 PM
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OK, so I guess I'm not totally off the mark here. That's how I was breaking as well. But I could only reach the very top of the levers, and didn't feel like I was getting enough of the breaking power. Since I've never done it before, I assumed I had to move my hands under the bars to do the breaking.

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Old 05-13-10 | 06:04 PM
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Braking from the hoods is less powerful than from the drops, but it should be sufficient for day to day riding...if not there is a problem...I'd drop by a LBS and show them what you are doing and get some advice...this sort of thing is hard to evaluate online.
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It was sufficient in a parking lot, I thought. But not as strong as I'm used to with my other bike with flat bars. Yes, I agree it's hard to do it on line, I do appreciate your help though. I will pop over to the store and ask.
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Lucille,

At least you're not having the problem our daughter brought to out attention yesterday. She says she isn't getting a good enough work-out on her new NWT because the bike goes uphill much too easily - and she wasn't kidding!!! Who knew.

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Old 05-14-10 | 08:10 PM
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At least you're not having the problem our daughter brought to out attention yesterday. She says she isn't getting a good enough work-out on her new NWT because the bike goes uphill much too easily - and she wasn't kidding!!! Who knew.

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Heh heh.... well, she can put her gears up a little....
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But I'm still not comfortable moving my hands under the bar to reach for the breaks. It feels really awkward and like I won't have enough time to break. And are all hoods standard size? I feel like my hand is too small to comfortable reach for breaks (no, I don't have freakishly small hands ;-)

I'm thinking it's just that I'm not familiar with using drops(I've only ever used flat bars) and hope it I will get used to them. I'm going for a longer ride this weekend, hopefully I won't end up getting totally frustrated and walking my bike...
Do your elbows stick out when you reach for the brakes? (from rotating your hands) That is one of the signs that the reach is too long.

There is no standard size to hoods. Campy hoods for instance are distinctly different from Shimano hoods.

I vaguely recall some feminine bars which supposedly decrease the reach for the brakes by changing the shape of the bar/tubing.

If you can get decent leverage on the brakes then it just might take more practice and a brake adjustment. Technique-wise, remember that the front brake does almost all of the work but people often under utilize it.
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Heh heh.... well, she can put her gears up a little....
Agree. I'm taking her an extra 42T middle chain ring I have in my parts box (to replace her current 39T) when we go up there in a couple of weeks. That should raise her mid-range and make it a bit more difficult! :>)
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Old 05-15-10 | 09:09 PM
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We put 'interrupters' on my wifes BF. She wanted drop bars but isn't comfortable braking with them.
I agree with Vik's advice on learning to do some of your own work but this would need to be done by someone with some experience.
Here's a link to what they look like. They're extra brake levers on the top part of the handlebars, seen best in the third photo.
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We finally got a chance to ride the bikes for a while. Not too far, about 50 kms. I really like the feel of the bike, it rolls beautifully and the gears are perfect!
I like how smooth the bar-end shifters are, but I wish I didn't have to reach so far down for them.

The only real problem was with breaking, which is a big one. I had a really hard time reaching the levers, but then figured that if I lean my body forward, I can reach the breaks much better. Still, the space between the bar and the lever seems far away, and even after such a short and easy ride (this is a ride we do when we don't have time to go for a "real" ride, and have done it hundreds of times), my hands are killing me. I can't imagine touring on roads with cars, it just doesn't feel safe. Any ideas how could I fix this? Is the stem too long? The hoods too big for my hands? Are drop bars not for me?

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We put 'interrupters' on my wifes BF. She wanted drop bars but isn't comfortable braking with them.
I agree with Vik's advice on learning to do some of your own work but this would need to be done by someone with some experience.
Here's a link to what they look like. They're extra brake levers on the top part of the handlebars, seen best in the third photo.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...t=#post9842609

enjoy, Greg
Thanks! When we were picking up the bikes, the sales person at the LBS mentioned those. I'm considering that, but I'm worried they will get in a way of a handlebar bag. Maybe not.

Lovely bike, by the way!
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Do your elbows stick out when you reach for the brakes? (from rotating your hands) That is one of the signs that the reach is too long.

There is no standard size to hoods. Campy hoods for instance are distinctly different from Shimano hoods.

I vaguely recall some feminine bars which supposedly decrease the reach for the brakes by changing the shape of the bar/tubing.

If you can get decent leverage on the brakes then it just might take more practice and a brake adjustment. Technique-wise, remember that the front brake does almost all of the work but people often under utilize it.
I don't think my elbows stick out, but not sure. I think I would like to look at those female hoods, if I could find them.
You are right, practice did make it easier, but it's still not good enough. I couldn't ride that way on a road with cars zooming by a bunch days in a row. I can barely type this, my hands hurt so much.
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To answer your questions, "yes" to all.
Wait, one of the questions was "Are they dramatically slower than a typical road bike?" You sure you meant to answer yes here?
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I don't think my elbows stick out, but not sure. I think I would like to look at those female hoods, if I could find them.
You are right, practice did make it easier, but it's still not good enough. I couldn't ride that way on a road with cars zooming by a bunch days in a row. I can barely type this, my hands hurt so much.
You have v-brakes with the diacompe brake levers I assume. I've never set them up; but I know several experienced cyclists that are quite happy with them. If you are interested, I can get you in contact with a great wrench that set up his own Bike Friday with them. I recall that he once posted a set of hints over at the YAK. But I don't have that handy.

At the Harris Cyclery, it appears that Cane Creek/Diacompe offers a "short reach" set of levers for smaller hands with the typical road caliper cable pull. Perhaps there is a model for short reach levers with the longer cable pull needed for v-brakes.

Of course, it might be the case that the reach is totally fine. You might just need to get stronger hands for braking from the hood position.
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