Swift folders
#1802
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Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
Some time along the road, Xootr started offering a XXL Swift. If no one noticed, the XXL size comes with a longer stem post. Since my existing stem post was visually deformed, and was starting to make noises under heavy load no matter how hard I torqued down the QR, I decided the buy the extra long one as a replacement.
To my surprise, not only was the new stem post longer, it was also extra beefy. Hopefully this means that the new stem post won't need replacing any time soon. There is a small cost though. The beefier stem is about 200g heavier.
Are the new standard sized stem post beefed up like the one pictured as well?
To my surprise, not only was the new stem post longer, it was also extra beefy. Hopefully this means that the new stem post won't need replacing any time soon. There is a small cost though. The beefier stem is about 200g heavier.
Are the new standard sized stem post beefed up like the one pictured as well?
I can see a drawback in the new stem post: it appears to be tapered at the top, therefore I wouldn't be able to lower the bar and then saw off the excess tubing as I did with mine. In fact, I wouldn't be able to lower the bar at all.
#1803
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#1804
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I haven't been able to find equivalents any where else, let alone for half price. But even at that price, it's still a better bargain than paying for a HubBubb, which is essentially a metal bar end plug.
#1805
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My stem post diameter measures 30.6mm in the thick section, not exactly a convenient diameter, but there are seat post collars available in that size. So if you really wanted a short post, you could cut from the bottom, drill and slot the lower portion and use a seat collar. You will lose the alignment pin though.
In my opinion though, the thicker post is welcomed. Out of the saddle hill climbs in San Francisco with a trailer have shown no detectable flex in the stem post at all.
#1806
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
That new stem post will take away the flexibility up front that I liked, namely the flexibility to easily raise or lower the handlebar.
"Out of the saddle hill climbs in San Francisco with a trailer have shown no detectable flex in the stem post at all. "
Were you troubled with flex before? Were there problems with flex or stem bars breaking before? I didn't notice any flex problem. The only problem I noticed was a squeak, and that went away when I replaced the front quick release with a bolt.
"Out of the saddle hill climbs in San Francisco with a trailer have shown no detectable flex in the stem post at all. "
Were you troubled with flex before? Were there problems with flex or stem bars breaking before? I didn't notice any flex problem. The only problem I noticed was a squeak, and that went away when I replaced the front quick release with a bolt.
#1807
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
"Rivendell has the parts, but their selling prices are way out of line. If you shop around you will find the exactly same parts for 1/4 to 1/2 of the Rivendell prices. Buyer beware!"
Yeah, I'll ask for a link, too. Just did a quick and cursory price comparison of the pedals I use, the Grip King. Rivendell gets $50, Harris $55, and another place that googled up, also $50.
Yeah, I'll ask for a link, too. Just did a quick and cursory price comparison of the pedals I use, the Grip King. Rivendell gets $50, Harris $55, and another place that googled up, also $50.
#1808
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
I wouldn't want my handlebar stem to break, though, and if there has been a problem Swift should be having a recall. Swift and Peter Reich should be contacting buyers and offering to replace the old stem with the new one at no cost.
#1809
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"Rivendell has the parts, but their selling prices are way out of line. If you shop around you will find the exactly same parts for 1/4 to 1/2 of the Rivendell prices. Buyer beware!"
Yeah, I'll ask for a link, too. Just did a quick and cursory price comparison of the pedals I use, the Grip King. Rivendell gets $50, Harris $55, and another place that googled up, also $50.
Yeah, I'll ask for a link, too. Just did a quick and cursory price comparison of the pedals I use, the Grip King. Rivendell gets $50, Harris $55, and another place that googled up, also $50.
#1810
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The noises I experienced were more "creaks" then "squeaks", and could be temporarily relieved by tightening the QR...... until the next time. I could actually feel the stem move when this "creak" occurred, more from the vibration than from the movement. If you look closely at the eyelets of my old stem post, you can see that the machined faces are no longer parallel from the incremental stretching.
#1811
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From: San Francisco, California
Bikes: Brompton H6, Schwinn Mirada, Cruzbike Sofrider. Used to own: ICE B1, 2 F-frame Moultons, Koga Myata Elevation 5000 mtb, Challenge Hurricane, Riese & Mueller Birdy Silver, Actionbent Tidalwave 3
Has any of you ridden both the steel Swift folder and the aluminum Xootr? I wonder if the steel Swift rides significantly better on poor roads?
The roads here in the Bay Area are maintained so poorly that the stiff ride of my Xootr was uncomfortable (for me), and that played a large part in my decision to sell it. The condition of the roads also played a part in the decision to get a Birdy. While there are many things I like about the Birdy (great ride, compact fold, no bits hanging off like the Xootr handlebars), I do sometimes miss the "real bike" feel of the Swift, and the ability to stand up and honk up a hill.
The roads here in the Bay Area are maintained so poorly that the stiff ride of my Xootr was uncomfortable (for me), and that played a large part in my decision to sell it. The condition of the roads also played a part in the decision to get a Birdy. While there are many things I like about the Birdy (great ride, compact fold, no bits hanging off like the Xootr handlebars), I do sometimes miss the "real bike" feel of the Swift, and the ability to stand up and honk up a hill.
#1812
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
That makes sense, since I understand that Rivendell basically commissioned the Grip King. Small-batch items, especially those made by Nitto or MKS for Rivendell, will be comparably priced everywhere. More everyday parts, like kool stop brake pads, are monstrously more expensive through Rivendell.
#1813
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From: NYC Metro Area
Bikes: Soma Grand Randonneur, modified Xootr Swift, Trek 1000SL with broken brifter from running it into a hotel porte-cochère
That's the point at which I usually just close all the browser windows and don't order anything. Too bad there's no such thing as centralized conglomerated shipping.
#1814
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
The noises I experienced were more "creaks" then "squeaks", and could be temporarily relieved by tightening the QR...... until the next time. I could actually feel the stem move when this "creak" occurred, more from the vibration than from the movement. If you look closely at the eyelets of my old stem post, you can see that the machined faces are no longer parallel from the incremental stretching.
Creaking is a better descriptive term than squeaking for the noises I used to hear too, but like I said, since I replaced the front (handlebar stem post) quick release with a bolt I haven't heard any squeaking or creaking noises, so prime creaking suspect #1 is the front quick release, and I didn't use that one much anyway, and if I do want to detach it now I just need a 5mm allen wrench. I may replace the seat post qr's with bolts, too.
Last edited by werewolf; 12-25-08 at 08:03 PM.
#1815
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
Yup - and bicycle part shopping is the worst. By the way, internet shopping isn't necessarily cheaper either. Like with that Swift bolt I just mentioned, Bike Nashbar (or was it Performace? - or are they the same now?) was selling them for $8 a piece, and I wasn't even sure they would fit, but the excellent LBS found the right size and only charged $4.
#1816
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From: Pismo Beach, CA
Here are two examples;
Shimano Deore rear derailleur, same as in Rivendell photo, $10.98 at my LBS.
Shimano Ultegra friction bar end shifters, complete, $59.95 at my LBS.
You can also check prices on the internet and better Rivendell prices.
#1817
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AFAIK, there are no Ultegra friction bar end shifters. Only indexed ones. And from a previous post, we already know these won't work with a SRAM 1:1 derailleur. They are certainly not of the same ratcheting design cloned from old Suntours.
On a different note, I did find them on Velo Orange for $60, but that's hardly half price.
#1818
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Creaking is a better descriptive term than squeaking for the noises I used to hear too, but like I said, since I replaced the front (handlebar stem post) quick release with a bolt I haven't heard any squeaking or creaking noises, so prime creaking suspect #1 is the front quick release, and I didn't use that one much anyway, and if I do want to detach it now I just need a 5mm allen wrench. I may replace the seat post qr's with bolts, too.
#1819
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From: Pismo Beach, CA
"$10.98 at my LBS"
I don't believe you.
Rivendell seems to sell only one rear derailleur, the Shimano LX, $64. Price at Nashbar: $65. Price at Harris: $65.
Rivendell doesn't seem to sell the Ultrega bar end shifters.
If you have a gripe with Rivendell, let's hear about it - but can the bs.
I don't believe you.
Rivendell seems to sell only one rear derailleur, the Shimano LX, $64. Price at Nashbar: $65. Price at Harris: $65.
Rivendell doesn't seem to sell the Ultrega bar end shifters.
If you have a gripe with Rivendell, let's hear about it - but can the bs.
FYI: the derailleur shown in the Rivendell website is a Deore, and not an LX! Let's compare apples to apples.

And if you have never seen, or heard about, a friction shifter, as opposed to an index shifter, you must really be a novice!

I have no gripes with Rivendell, they make some quality stuff. I just shop for the "BEST" pricing!
Good luck with your uninformed shopping!

PCG
#1820
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From: Central California
Bikes: Dahon, Montague, Swift
Hey Werewolf
I didn't notice any complaints about Rev from pismocycleguy. You seem to be over reacting!
Calm down and control your emotions! You seem to be over touchy and thin skinned.
I thought that this was suppose to be a friendly user group of bicyclists. If you want to spend more for parts, feel free to do just that! "A fool and his money is soon parted!"
I went to the Rev page noted above, and the derailleur has DEORE written on it. I sure don't see LX anywhere.
Let's get back to discussing folding bikes, and quit attaching individuals!
I didn't notice any complaints about Rev from pismocycleguy. You seem to be over reacting!
Calm down and control your emotions! You seem to be over touchy and thin skinned.
I thought that this was suppose to be a friendly user group of bicyclists. If you want to spend more for parts, feel free to do just that! "A fool and his money is soon parted!"
I went to the Rev page noted above, and the derailleur has DEORE written on it. I sure don't see LX anywhere.
Let's get back to discussing folding bikes, and quit attaching individuals!
#1821
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From: Arizona
Bikes: Swift folder, single speed
OK, sorry if I over reacted. My language certainly could have been nicer. Werewolves get a bit, ah, touchy, at a certain time of the month. I deleted my posts. Back to folding bikes!
Last edited by werewolf; 12-29-08 at 09:11 PM.
#1823
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From: Carlisle, in England's Lake District, just a few miles south of the border with Scotland.
Bikes: A Bianchi C2C road bike, a steel framed touring bike and a Xootr Swift folder which has made the rest redundant!
Well done James, we must do our best to keep the Swift thread in full view!
#1825
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From: NYC Metro Area
Bikes: Soma Grand Randonneur, modified Xootr Swift, Trek 1000SL with broken brifter from running it into a hotel porte-cochère
Good idea! And those are nice pics you posted.
My recent ones...


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