Some more issues:

1. My wife will have the necessary details of the whole transaction, so should any harm come to me after you have made the deposit or final payment, she will make those payments.

2. A backup party is also needed for the final freighting arrangements, I wouldn't want to leave that to my wife.

3. A simpler way would be for all parties to simply pay the deposit and final amounts directly into the manufacturer's PayPal account, then all cases are automatically covered.

4. Not all frames need to be identical. You could each state your particular requirements here and we will order accordingly. So could each party please make a post with their wants, so I ca draw up a list for the order.

5. Once the deposit is received, manufacturing takes about 2 months.

We have 5 possibly 7 frames:

Porchetoys: 1 possibly 2
Kraftwerk: 1
Rjdennis 1
Pine Cone 1
Marxmini 1 (Philippines)
Jur possibly 1


If all parties in the US could post their location, perhaps one efficient way would be for someone who lives closest to others to receive the frames and handle the forwarding.

The money for Peter's seatposts can be sent to me so I can get that organised. Iam getting a quote now.

hi jur

thank you for organizing this. i appreciate it.

my specs are as follows:

1. height - 178cm, so my frameset would be the same size are yours.
2. no bottle cage bosses on seatpost. is it possible to have them in the handlepost stem like the orginal
3. no disc brake or v-brake mounts - i will be using calipers like you in your first build
4. i will use 451 wheels so provision for the calipers are needed

so all in all my frame will look the same as your first frame, jur.

that's it.

please let me know the paypal account of the manufacturer so that i can make the deposit. i will also make arrangements for shipping with them so that the burden is not on you anymore.

thank you very much.

I'm near Port Townsend, Washington. 183 cm tall. No bottle cage brazeons on seat tube, but like marxmini is it possible to have them in the handlepost stem like the orginal? All other brazeons. Haven't decided on wheel size yet, but I am leaning towards 406. I want the full kit, seatpost, front fork, stem riser, bullhorns, etc.

Thanks!

Scott aka Pine Cone

The frame geometry is like the original Swift, able to take both wheel sizes. With disc brakes there is complete freedom for choice. Or if needed you can select to have the v-brake bosses.

There can't be bottle cage nuts on the stem riser, it fits tightly around the steerer. Or at most they must be surface ones.

Any reason why you couldn't drill through the steerer where the brazeons would be on the stem riser? I can't imagine it would decrease the strength of the steerer much and it would help lock the stem riser to the steerer.

The stem riser slides over the steerer so that's why... Or perhaps I missed something?

I will ask them if they can put surface bosses, then you can drill. The bosses they use protrude through the tube wall.

[MENTION=73109]Pine Cone[/MENTION]: What top tube length?

jur, just a question? are you a medium or a large size in the original swift size?

I never had a stock Swift, built up the frameset into a bike. But I always thought that the universal medium size in folding bikes is a little too small for my liking. I have a Moulton with 130mm stem, maybe you coup firm an idea from that. My body and arms are close to 45deg from horizontal.

Could all interested parties please send me a PM with your email address? I am making lists of each person's order. I will send that to you for checking.

i am sorry what i meant was, what size frame is your swift? is it a medium or large size based on the swift sizing? thanks.

my swift is a medium size and my bike friday is a size 56.

As far as I know the Swift frame size are all the same, medium. They just adapt the seatpost and stem length for the various sizes. The Stock frame is 55cm. My Ti Swift is 57.5cm.

I will go with your measurement, jur. :-) that will suit me just fine as it will be almost the same size as my bike friday. thank you.

I was thinking of surface bosses on the outside of the riser. Still will have to remove the bolts and bottle cage to take the steerer off, but I don't see myself doing that very often.

I would like a 59cm top tube equivalent (measured center to center)

Jur: email me at rjd45@drexel.edu

The question has been asked if the fork could be left out of the order - the answer is of course yes. I don't have a word on that but based on my previous order, it would make about $150 of difference.

Geometry-wise, there is a 12mm difference to the Ti Swift compared to the aluminium one - the fork is 12mm shorter, and correspondingly the seat tube also.

For those wondering about the tyres, the frame can accommodate the biggest tyres available - 50mm Big Apples in 406mm, and at least 32mm in 451mm.

Something occurred to me just now: The rear dropout spacing is 130mm. So for disc brakes, you would need to find a hub that can do 130mm. Is that OK for everybody? Otherwise we would need to do some different spacings for different people.

i am OK with 130mm. thank you.

It's obvious Jur has brought us to a new frontier in folding bike technology, not to mention two-wheeled aesthetic beauty.
Who wouldn't want a Ti-Swift folder? It is something I had only dreamed of, originally thinking a Ti-Folding Twenty would be cool,
which could be re named "Folding Tweety" in reference to its lighter weight, but that was just a dream,
now this dream is being realized & for that I thank you Jur ~ For all your early-adopter-investigations and bravery to dive-in.
(My wallet not-so-much, so will be selling a mostly stock original Swift folder and a few other things in order to make this trade-up)

A few questions are remaining about the build:
Is it possible to make slight modifications frame by frame?
I for one would rather it had horizontal drop-outs, like the Swift, for single speed application.
Ideally it would also not have disk brake mounts and w/o fender frame-mount, eyelets are okay by me.
Little things like that would be great. Otherwise the frame is very handsome.
Also, if there is a fork-less option I would be interested in the price w/o the fork.
I am curious how much that will bring the price down.
I plan to run a nice carbon fork which is now on my aluminum Swift.
Is the fork tube and head tube exactly the same size as the Swift? That would determine this decision.
I know that the seat post is a different size on the Ti.. It's a bit bigger right? That is probably a good thing.
Anyways, I will probably have a few more questions...

ps.
As Jur requested earlier :
"If all parties in the US could post their location, perhaps one efficient way would be for someone who lives closest to others to receive the frames and handle the forwarding. "

jt

Brooklyn

I would prefer 135mm or at least 132.5mm which is what I believe standard Swift frames are.

Sorry, here comes another question:

What do you all want the stem riser clamp size to be? 25.4mm, 26mm or 31.8mm? The bullhorns are 22.2mm, so I had to use shims to make mine fit. I chose 31.8mm so I could have freedom of choice in future to install modern bars with 31.8mm clamp diameter. But I had to use a double shim spacer, one from 22.2-25.4, and another from 25.4-31.8mm. It would probably look better to use 25.4mm if you are sure you will never put another bar on.

hi jur,

25.4mm for mine.

thanks.

Jur,

E-mail sent with particulars.
I'm in the 135mm/25.4mm camp also ... kinda :-))