Landgolier

Except for all the members who didn't do anything that got punished.

Tom Stormcrowe

You have a PM.

Landgolier

I appreciate your concern Tom, but I'm not really interested in resolving this privately. What I and many of the other people caught up in this fiasco want is to know what the rules are. Should we expect to log in and not see words that are not our own posted under our user names? Should we expect to be able to know what the standards are for what's acceptable and what isn't? If we are banned from a forum, should we expect to be told why?

Hint: the answers are either "yes, yes, yes," or "nope, this is our little accountability-free Potemkin village, deal with it or show yourself to the door."

Tom Stormcrowe

Allright, all of the admins, including myself have offered you the same opportunity to air your grievance in private so we could have an unencumbered discussion. This doesn't belong on the open forum.

If you aren't willing to help me solve this, there's only one conclusion I can come to, and that's that you aren't doing anything but carrying on the drama. Discuss it with me where we can do so without disrupting everything, and we can solve this. I'm not trying to hide anything, I'm simply trying to have the discussion without distractions or noise.

timmyquest

I could just remove this thread from my subscriptions, but watching people complain is as hard not to watch as it is painful to do so.

Landgolier

Look, I see your position here, but whether or not there is any transparency, rhyme, or reason to how this forum is administered is not at all a private matter. If there's something you want to tell me privately, PM away, but I have a hard time imagining what you'd only be willing to say privately that you'd want to say at all.

There's really not anything to be discussed or solved, there either are rules and standards around here or there aren't.

Landgolier

Hump day is bump day! Still waiting for any mod/admin to step up and tell me why I'm banned, what rule I broke, and what the rules are on mods editing users' comments. Anybody?

Jules_Winnfield

Today is hump day, my brotha. Why don't you go try to get laid instead of bringing your sorry Jerry Springer drama on here? And if your ass is banned, why are you still posting?

Brotha needs to get a life outside the internet.

East Hill

Landgolier, have you tried writing to Brian, or any of the other admins? How about me?

East Hill

Landgolier

They've all seen this message, and it has been discussed among the mods/admins. You know as well as I do what happened, Brian banned a bunch of people he didn't like from SSFG despite our not actually having broken any rules. Many of the banned people have been quietly reinstated after negotiating with some of the other admins. I'm not particularly interested in that, I'd just rather know what the rules actually are and how I broke them. If there are no rules and people can just get randomly banned, I'd like y'all to just go ahead and admit that and we'll all proceed under that assumption from now on.

A post was also edited to misrepresent the original user's comment without their permission. Visible tracking of edits has now been implemented, which is a good step. I appreciate whoever was behind that.

Brian

Whoa! Let's stick to the facts. A handful of members that can't follow some simple guidelines had their access to SSFG restricted. I did not ban a bunch of members. But you'd like to continue to perpetuate that argument. Much like the one about your post being edited. If anything, inappropriate language was removed from your post. That's the only editing that would have been done.

donnamb 

FYI, that edit stamp is retroactive. If someone edited your post, it will now show who did that, the date, and the time. There is no way to alter one post and leave others in a particular forum alone - it's an all-or-nothing kind of feature. Since we still have no idea which post you believe was altered, perhaps you can check it for an edit stamp.

Brian

Donna, he doesn't have access to the thread. It would help if he could tell us which one it was, since we had to trash so many.

donnamb 

Good point. Well, I'd be happy to help if I had more information. As I do not, I need to move on to other tasks.

Landgolier

Let's indeed stick to the facts. For over a week now I've been explicitly asking what guideline(s) I violated. This question remains unanswered. Facts are sorely needed here.

The post that was edited involved no profanity or inappropriate language, since you're so excited about the facts I'd appreciate it if you didn't make spurious allegations like that. The situation was that a mod deleted a previous post (which was also not inappropriate) and wanted to remove my post's reference to it so as to cover their tracks. In the process they messed with what I had written so as to make it look like I meant something that I didn't. So please, enough with the line that a post would only be edited if it used inappropriate language, we both know that's untrue.

EJ123

I miss all the people who "left". Stacey, VV, that Montana guy, KT hasn't posted in a while (all Foo of course), hi565 got demodded without warning, ect. *sigh* Foo rocked a year ago.

jaxgtr

Landgolier, as far as the edited post, I just spent close to an hour working through all the threads from that time frame that you posted in and I am not finding anything that had been edited. Do you remember the name of the thread and I would would be more than happy to research it for you further.

Landgolier

You probably won't find it, it was deleted, or else it was moved into the mod-only sandbox, in which case I guess it may still be out there. You won't have any trouble finding it if it's still out there, a few posts down in the thread you'll also see a post from me to the effect of "what the ****, who edited my post?" It's got to be in my last 100 posts, and it will be right around 2 weeks ago when mod squad got a bee in its bonnet about SSFG.

If you're willing to dig through old posts to resolve this mess, I'd appreciate it if you'd find the one where I broke a rule or guideline that resulted in me being banned from SSFG.

Brian

I found it. I don't know the exact content of your original post, since I was not the one that edited it, and can only go by your comments in subsequent posts. It would appear that you were suggesting SSFG users go post elsewhere. Within the context of that thread, it appears your post was considered trolling/disruption.

When you're done with your complaining and blaming me, let me know if you would like me to have the moderator that edited it contact you.

Landgolier

The original post by another user that was completely deleted suggested that people go to cyclingforums (a tiny, mostly dead site) to escape the heavy modding in SSFG. As a complete joke, I suggested serottaforums instead, most people who care know that board makes the average level of moderation here look like a frat party at 2am and is generally populated with middle-aged, high-$$$ roadies who think internets bicycle discussion is serious business, pretty much the exact opposite of SSFG. I don't think anyone would believe I was seriously suggesting that we load up the *********s and arrrsporks into the SSFG cheese wagon and roll over there, it was a total joke. Whoever the mod was nuked the original post and edited the quote and the serottaforums reference out of mine so that it looked like I was the one suggesting an exodus, and now you're accusing me of trolling and disruption. I think you can see why this is a problem. I don't particularly care who did it, but that mod should be reminded that impersonation is a banning offense around here, and if I'd used another user's account and edited one of their posts in that manner I would be out of here.

But since you've now admitted that that post wasn't why you tossed me from SSFG (since you just now found it and all), would you care to answer my original question of what rule or guideline I broke so as to get tossed from SSFG?

East Hill

Landgolier, it seems that I was the moderator who edited your post. I had no intention of changing the meaning of your words--as far as I know, I only removed references to other forums.

As a new moderator, I still had a lot to learn. Please accept my sincere apology.

If you have any questions pertaining to this, please send me a PM.

East Hill

Landgolier

OK, who edited the above post? The asterisks originally read "tarck bikes." I know you're probably trolling me and the next post will be "Impossible, we have edit tracking now," but this is just silly.

Brian

Stop being a knob. Seriously. If there is a space, it appears as "tarck bikes". No space, it shows up as *********s.

making

just curious, why * tarck bikes?

East Hill

In other words, it's being filtered out by the word filter.

East Hill