Of 91 bikes listed, the Ironman Expert was 18th cheapest. The Lemans RS was 6th cheapest. A couple models were 6x the Ironman price, notably the DeRosa Professional and the Merckx Corsa Extra. I've had all 3. Blindfolded, with 2x9 DA and A23 wheels, I doubt anyone here can tell the difference. And the '87 Expert came with 105 indexed. The Italians were foundering on Syncro or Record. Better hubs, worse shifting.