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Old 06-24-15 | 08:14 AM
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Good method/practice for navigation...

Could I possibly ask how people manage on long distance rides with navigation?
Do most swear by a Garmin or other similar device?
I am planning some long distance rides through France soon and looking at the directions offered on mapmyride it would be a nightmare trying to do this the old fashioned way with a paper map (even iphone).

Are garmin (or similar) the way to go for continental road touring?
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Old 06-24-15 | 06:35 PM
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Even when the times we've cycled in France.

Have you been to France?
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Old 06-25-15 | 12:19 AM
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Old 06-25-15 | 12:25 AM
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Even when the times we've cycled in France.

Have you been to France?
I have cycled from Calais to Brussels before, and been to Paris a good few times, but my only experience of cycling was as mentioned.

Howcome?
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Old 06-25-15 | 01:18 AM
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A decent sense of direction will get you to most places without a map. For riding around the French countryside (one of my favourite places in the world to ride) I can usually get to where I want to go by reading the highway and road signs, a map serves as a rough guide. For keeping track of my rides, I mount my iPhone on the handlebar, and use a cycling app. These apps usually have good map features which allow you to see where you are, or plot a route. So far I haven't managed to get myself into a place where I can't get a signal on my iPhone, so the apps work pretty well.

Before your trip, study some maps and guides, and become familiar with the main routes, their numbers and names. Your GPS or phone might stop working, or someone might steal it.
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Old 06-25-15 | 08:41 AM
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theres the gadget GPS crowd and theres the Map Compass and talking to the people where You are And asking .. solution .

you know who you are.. like gadgets ?, go that way .. I got in a lot of long international tours before the gadgets were on the market.
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Old 06-25-15 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mrkano
I have cycled from Calais to Brussels before, and been to Paris a good few times, but my only experience of cycling was as mentioned.

Howcome?
We were able to travel there just fine with a small Michelin map + local maps from tourist info centres.


My Michelin map is an older version of this:
Michelin mini atlas: France|Michelin Maps & Guides

And the tourist info centres can give you scenic route and cycling specific maps. There are quite a number of cycling specific routes within France.
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Old 06-25-15 | 01:13 PM
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I use my garmin 810 (seems they have the turn by turn issues finally worked out two+ years after release) and map out everything beforehand but a crib sheet with turns on the stem works pretty well too.
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Old 06-25-15 | 01:34 PM
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I use my garmin 810 (seems they have the turn by turn issues finally worked out two+ years after release) and map out everything beforehand but a crib sheet with turns on the stem works pretty well too.
Yeah a mix of map my ride and a garmin will do it nicely I think.
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Originally Posted by Machka
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Even when the times we've cycled in France.

Have you been to France?
Have you been to Boston? Just this week I posted a reply to a Californian asking about a route here, after investigating it on Google.

Originally Posted by LindaB
We're currently planning to head south from Concord MA, following MA-126, then connecting to the Blackstone River Bikeway and into Providence. Here's what we have so far: ridewithgps.com/routes/7920591 . When viewed in Google street view, 126 doesn't look like a great place to ride. Opinions? Alternate roads? …

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My favorite map for the Metro Boston area is the AAA Metropolitan Boston map. It covers a wide area, including west beyond Concord and south to Blackstone and the Rhode Island border.[/B] The scale is small enough to show many excellent cycling backroads, as thin gray or black routes. I do have extra maps.

As you may not already know (posting from California), Metro Boston has very confusing, seemingly haphazard roads. Many streets, particularly the one you are riding on are not marked; they surreptiously change names; and in rotary intersections it's easy to lose your sense of direction. So I supplement the paper map with my I-phone, at least to identify where I am on the map. Nonetheless, cycling here is scenic and superb, IMO (as a cross country cyclist).

I have ridden Rte 126 on many occasions…

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Jim from Boston has given you fair warning about Boston area roads. I rode today, 40 miles in the Rehoboth area and, yep, I got lost, sort of. Several of the town or county roads I was on did not have signs which caused some uncertainty resulting in a slightly shorter distance than was planned. Fortunately, every roads leads somewhere and I eventually ambled back to known territory. I wasn't scared a bit.
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Thanks Jim & Berner. I'm feeling a lot better about just riding 126 - though will look for some side roads. Most look like they involve quite a few extra miles. As for the AAA map - I already have the one you describe, Jim, with the city of Boston on one side, and the greater Boston area (and a bit of Rhode Island) on the reverse....
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I'm that Californian Jim from Boston mentioned... We use Garmin's (I have 810 and my husband a Touring) and think they are amazing! Not perfect, but... I'd always thought the technology would be intrusive on our peaceful tours, but in planning our LEJOG (Lands End, Cornwall to John O'Groats, Scotland; 1100 miles) last year, the advice from those with experience was to get a Garmin or you will probably get lost. Britain doesn't seem to bother to mark many (most??) country intersections. The Garmins saved us countless time which would have been spent huddled over maps at intersections! We've done 4 or 5 tours in France, and all were pre-Garmin for us, and we did just fine with map and compass, though.
Never even considered going without them on our Sept 2015 tour to Massachusetts! And for a possible tour in France in 2016 I wouldn't dream of leaving them home. We always have paper maps just in case -and for getting a larger overview.
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Navigation in France with a map and compass is not a "nightmare", it is no more difficult than any other area. Most cities have cycle routes from edge to centre, which simplifies navigation.
If you need to refer to the map frequently, use a bar bag map holder.
Compass is for cloudy and foggy days, forest trails etc.
Studying a map gives you a good feel for the terrain and creating your own route is more fun for me than following left/right directions.
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Originally Posted by MichaelW
Navigation in France with a map and compass is not a "nightmare", it is no more difficult than any other area. Most cities have cycle routes from edge to centre, which simplifies navigation.
If you need to refer to the map frequently, use a bar bag map holder.
Compass is for cloudy and foggy days, forest trails etc.
Studying a map gives you a good feel for the terrain and creating your own route is more fun for me than following left/right directions.
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Old 06-26-15 | 12:04 PM
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Where is the sun? Which direction is the sun traveling. What time is it. Where is North in relation to the sun. What cities are around me? What do the road signs say.

I rode for 40 miles using this method on Wednesday and I had absolutely 0 regrets of the route I traveled. I also found amazingly beautiful roads I would never travel on because I did not use my Garmin's GPS function or a pre-made map.

When I want to log serious data of lap times or need to navigate on a pre-made route for a group ride I'll enter a map. Otherwise, speed, cadence, power, time, heart rate, distance traveled and elevation climbed is what I like know while riding. I like to look at foliage, landscapes, and clouds when I ride.
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