So I got all excited and bought a 57cm Salsa vaya. I seem to be having minor fit issues. Shocker.

My Masi Giramondo is an ett of 600. And I just went up 30 cm in stem length on the vaya.

Who put me on this bike? I did. So I may have to eat it, sell it independantly, or live with it.

I did take it back after the stem to have them double check the fit against the numbers they had for my masi.

They added rake, (raised the seat a bit and flipped the stem) and I had too much nose down on my saddle. After a full day in the new fit, I can say it's noticeably better. Minus two things. One, when I take a level to the masi bar to seat, it's near flat. But on the vaya, the seat is high. And I feel the saddle on my taint more.

Should I just re-flip the stem and go on? The bike is great otherwise. And of course it's officially used, sooooo.

Your thoughts?

Thank you

A picture would be nice.

But I imagine if you went from a 60cm to a 57 your going to be in a much more aggressive position.

Yes, a size larger would have given you both more ETT and headtube, enabling you to be comfortable w/o excessive stem length or angle. Up to you whether you can live with it or move on to the next size. Personally, I would always be annoyed by it.

New bikes and new saddles always take a little time to get used to. Unless every single measurement and the saddle were exactly the same (which is pretty hard to accomplish) then your body will have some minor adjustments to make. Since your last ride was noticeably better, at this point I'd say don't stop short of your glory. Give it a chance as is, then if you don't get quite where you want to be, tweak it more before you give up. I have 3 road bikes right now I go through phases where I prefer one over the other. When I switch from one to the other it always takes time to acclimate.

Judging from your height and inseam, the bike is just right for you.

Pretty much what I would have said in three times as many words.

You might try lowering your saddle a bit and moving it back a bit. I don't know how closely the shop tried to duplicate your position in comparison with the Masi, but it's possible the saddle positioning could have some room for improvement.

As best as I can tell the Masi with a 600mm ETT has a 185mm head tube length and a Salsa Vaya with a 570mm ETT has a 185mm head tube length(there's an error on the Salsa geometry chart for the current year Vaya, so I'm basing that length on the 2016 chart.) If that's the case, it seems to me that by tinkering with stem length, stem angle, and spacers, you should be able to get the Salsa's fit pretty close to the Masi's. The Vaya came with a 90mm stem? Going up to a 120mm was reasonable to try to make up for the difference in ETT of the bikes. What stem length is on the Masi?

All good input! Thank you guys and gals. Gonna try small movements first. Going from .06 nose down on saddle, to 1.6 nose down to start. (Digital level app for iphone).

If not, then we go back to .06 and flip stem.

Nothing more frustrating than a bike that's too small, other than maybe a pair of pants that are too small or underwear that's too tight.

I'm of the school that it's better to have a bike frame that's slightly too big, rather than slightly too small.

I have a fatbike that fits that description.

I agree with the others - get a bit used to it. And it does sound like it should fit you correctly, imo. Personally I ride on the lower end of frame size, I prefer it to the 'french fit'. Give it some time and miles, though.

I've read recommendations that one buy a bike a bit smaller than the largest fit. You don't fit a frame, but a bicycle, your butt on the seat, your hands on the handlebars, your feet in the pedals. You can adjust all of those with a different handlebar stem and seat post.

For what's worth
A standardized simple straight forward level can't be more then $12 and might save you $100 in a re fit.

Sarcasm aside. I'm not sure if it's the new IPhone 11 million or the next best notorious Galaxy S something. Having the reassurance of a balanced level may give you some sleep. Literally

Good luck

Much better with the added slope. I did 79miles in the 80 to 90 degree range and didn't feel beat up. Though I was feeling the heat by the end. I may raise the nose a bit. I think I'm sliding forward. Uzwize I'm killing what's left of my clements and will have to put the nanos back on. Pfff