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Old 05-03-18, 09:33 AM
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Kryptonite bike lock

wiuld like to pick up a good bike lock for my new cube ebike. At the end of the day Iíve decided to go with kryptonite. Looking at the New York or forgetaboutit. Can any tell me if the forgetaboutit is big enough to go through rear wheel seat post and then around sign post like a stop sign. I know the New York would work but if I can get away with a smaller lock will be harder to get any mechanism in it to break it

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I would recommend the ABUS Bordo Granit X-Plus it folds up really nice and comes with a carrying case that can easily mount to the bike and it is very high security. I have sold quite a few with e-bikes and with nicer regular bikes or people locking up for a while. Having too small of a shackle makes it hard to lock to certain things and with e-bikes generally being a bit thicker and bigger it can be hard to use the smaller shackles. The New York STD would be a better shackle length choice but I would again go to the ABUS Granit X-Plus locks for best security. Their nicer stuff is made in Germany from virgin steel that has been specially treated to be very strong and fairly light as well. Also they use double locking mechanism so you have to cut through both sides of the lock unlike other lock brands that just lock to one side.
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Old 05-03-18, 02:06 PM
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For Further reach, they have a longer bar one, now, 6500 Big.. 4#

but I don't like their carry bracket as well , so I put it in my pannier ,
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The NY mini Forgetaboutit will not go between the rear wheel seat tube and a sign post, at least not with my bike. Maybe if your rear wheel sits really close to the seat tube you might get it to work. Currently I lock my back wheel to my frame using that lock and I do the same with the front wheel and frame with a second one. I then use a Kryptonite Evolution to lock to the bike rack as it has more length. I think Veganbikes made a good suggestion using the Abus Bordo lock as it has great protection and is more versatile.
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Originally Posted by yycwrangler View Post
wiuld like to pick up a good bike lock for my new cube ebike. At the end of the day I’ve decided to go with kryptonite. Looking at the New York or forgetaboutit. Can any tell me if the forgetaboutit is big enough to go through rear wheel seat post and then around sign post like a stop sign. I know the New York would work but if I can get away with a smaller lock will be harder to get any mechanism in it to break it

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Yes, but its a snug fit, so you may have to do some finagling to get it on and off (see profile). Just keep in mind that locks are to keep honest people honest. They won't stop a bike thief.
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Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
I would recommend the ABUS Bordo Granit X-Plus it folds up really nice and comes with a carrying case that can easily mount to the bike and it is very high security.
I have one and use it for short term, reasonably low-risk lock-ups. Unfortunately they are not terribly thief-resistant. There is a video --
-- of these locks being easily broken at the joints with a nut-splitter and a wrench.
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Old 05-05-18, 05:46 AM
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Ha, that's the "lock picking lawyer". He has unusual methods for defeating locks, some quite slow, others very fast.

I saw this one that breaks a very strong padlock with a portable nail gun powered by a 22 shell. The youtube video.
I suppose this only works if the padlock is braced on a solid surface.
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Old 05-05-18, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
I have one and use it for short term, reasonably low-risk lock-ups. Unfortunately they are not terribly thief-resistant. There is a video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs8uyPsDaw0 -- of these locks being easily broken at the joints with a nut-splitter and a wrench.
Thanks for posting this video. It convinced me that this is the lock I need! How many thieves are going to own and carry around a nut-splitter? Angle grinder yes, even bolt cutters but not a nut-splitter. Abus Bordo locks are not that common in Toronto, so the likelihood that a bicycle thief even owns this tool is too small for me to even care. There isn't a lock in this world that cannot be penetrated in some way so videos like this are a poor way to try and prove a point. Even the Kryptonite New York locks can be compromised, you just need to make your bike harder to steal than the one beside it.

By his name, my guess the OP is in Calgary where Bordo locks are not common so I think it is still a good lock. Also looked at the Cube E-Bikes and I am even more convinced that the mini New York lock will not fit around everything he/she needs to protect their bike.
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Best to review YouTube “University” bicycle locks that can be defeated quickly before purchasing.

Hold on to your bike like your wallet, this may help secure it.
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Might be better to not live in a place with rampant bike theft by people that bring heavy duty tools..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Might be better to not live in a place with rampant bike theft by people that bring heavy duty tools..
Sadly, uninhabited islands aren't too common in these parts. Also I like having running water and electricity.
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Old 05-05-18, 09:37 AM
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Not such an industrious group of thugs in the oldest fishing port on the US pacific coast..
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Kryptonite Bike Lock

Watching the nut splitter video on the Abus Brodo lock, I noticed the coating surrounding the pin on the lock links were pre-removed. Without removing the coating, it would not have been possible to place the nut splitter against the pin to spli it. The removal of the coating was not highlighted in the video and we do not know what was used and how long it took to remove. I presume it is probably a tedious process - one which most bike thieves would not want to undertake. Hence, I still prefer the Brodo lock over others.
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Originally Posted by yycwrangler View Post
Can any tell me if the forgetaboutit is big enough to go through rear wheel seat post and then around sign post like a stop sign.
Depends on the bike. You have to measure that area on your bike and compare it with the lock's inner dimensions. I believe the dimensions listed are the inner dimensions of the shackle:

U-lock Comparison - The Best Bike Lock
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Old 05-05-18, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Not such an industrious group of thugs in the oldest fishing port on the US pacific coast..
I've known homeless people in San Francisco whose prize possession was a bicycle multitool. (Not to imply most homeless are thieves, but for some, Brooks saddles were their main income. They could take one off in a few seconds. If the saddle was locked down to the frame with a piece of old bicycle chain, it would take them a couple more seconds to break that chain.)
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Astoria is a Lot cheaper to live in, too..
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
I have one and use it for short term, reasonably low-risk lock-ups. Unfortunately they are not terribly thief-resistant. There is a video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs8uyPsDaw0 -- of these locks being easily broken at the joints with a nut-splitter and a wrench.
Did you even watch the video?


Not only did he need to use a vice to hold the lock, when the lock was defeated, the rivet exploded off like a bullet.

What thief wants to risk an potential serious injury from an exploding rivet and has a fixed vice that they can use where you have locked your bike.
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Did you even watch the video?


Not only did he need to use a vice to hold the lock, when the lock was defeated, the rivet exploded off like a bullet.

What thief wants to risk an potential serious injury from an exploding rivet and has a fixed vice that they can use where you have locked your bike.
True. They would probably just use a battery powered angle grinder
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
True. They would probably just use a battery powered angle grinder
Yes, against an angle grinder is where the folding locks are truly at their weakest.

Whilst an angle grinder can defeat any U-lock, even the strongest Bordo folding lock will be defeated by an angle grinder in about a quarter of the time it takes to get through a good U-lock.
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In case I wasn't clear before or it hasn't sunk in to every bike owner by now, a "bike thief" carries an entire arsenal of tools in his backpack to defeat ANY lock. And he can do so in less time than it takes you to unlock your own bike with the combination or the key.

Locks will protect your bike from the thief of opportunity, not the pro.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
In case I wasn't clear before or it hasn't sunk in to every bike owner by now, a "bike thief" carries an entire arsenal of tools in his backpack to defeat ANY lock. And he can do so in less time than it takes you to unlock your own bike with the combination or the key.

Locks will protect your bike from the thief of opportunity, not the pro.
+ one billion for this!

This is what an insurance policy is for. If you can't even consider the possibility of property being stolen, you shouldn't own it in the first place.
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Thanks everyone. At the end of the day I ordered a kryptonite New York. Still has a 9/10 rating. I donít live right in Calgary but about 30 km west. The town of Cochrane I donít think has a huge amount of crime. So I think the New York will allow me to secure to a sturdy pole. Iíll also run a cable through the front tire to the ulock. Again I realize that cables are easy to cut. So that combined with a insurance policy is as good as it gets.

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Originally Posted by yycwrangler View Post
Thanks everyone. At the end of the day I ordered a kryptonite New York. Still has a 9/10 rating. I don’t live right in Calgary but about 30 km west. The town of Cochrane I don’t think has a huge amount of crime. So I think the New York will allow me to secure to a sturdy pole. I’ll also run a cable through the front tire to the ulock. Again I realize that cables are easy to cut. So that combined with a insurance policy is as good as it gets.

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Since you purchased a Kryptonite....READ the TOS for the warranty. Beware that I've known no one in real life, or even online (yet), who claims to have had a successful claim through Kryptonite. It is a byzantine maze of legal falderal written specifically to make it next to impossible for them to have to pay a claim....their warranty sounds great in ad-copy, but IRL is basically worthless.

Their locks, too, are cracked open by pro thieves all the time. 9/10 rating is irrelevant IRL to thieves.
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I can return the lock. Does everyone agree that the kryptonite New York is not good. So what would you then recommend for $130 can or around $100 US
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I can return the lock. Does everyone agree that the kryptonite New York is not good. So what would you then recommend for $130 can or around $100 US
It isn't that the Kryptonite lock itself isn't good. It is just the warranty isn't worth the paper it is printed on in practice.

Any lock you can buy can be compromised in about 30 to 1 minute seconds with a battery powered angle grinder. And even in broad daylight, passers-by will not stop a bike-theft-in-progress.
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