Threadless bottom brackets
#3
Often on Fritz
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 536
Likes: 1
From: Austin
Bikes: Franken-Fritz, Horse-Feathers, Junker
Once upon a time, a newbie cyclist named DanBraden was trying to track down a "creak" and a "pop" that was living inside of his bike named Horse-Feathers.
He tightened his post, he tightened his seat, he tightened his headset he tightened his feet!
But no matter how many nano-newtons he applied that "creak" and that "pop" continued to hide!
"I know" he said on one sunny day, "I'll swap out the wheels to chase it away!"
So feeling so smart and feeling so clever, he swapped out the wheels on the bike he called "Feathers"
But what would then happen? You should already know, but that "pop" and that "creak" they refused to go!
So back to the board did DanBraden go. What could he do? Well, what did he know?
Nothing was good, and nothing had worked and more and more he found himself irked!
"My fingers are greasy, my knuckles are sore, my pockets are empty, and I've hit the floor"
"I know" he said in a moment of clarity, "To the internet I'll go once I muster temerity!"
So off he went in search of a clue, but to get some respect he had to pay dues.
He was goaded and chided by all he encountered and he delighted the trolls with the tales of his flounder...
"A Flounder" you say, "Do you mean the fish?" There is SOMETHING that smells, but it’s certainly not this!
Then like a light at the end of a tunnel, He read that the BB was where his efforts should funnel.
"At last" he said all full of hope, "I had nearly reached the end of my rope!"
"I'll take it apart, all the way to the BB and find those darn noises which so far elude me!"
But saying and doing are two different things, and poor DanBraden would learn just what that would mean.
For once he removed all that he could, he was stuck with a BB that seemed frozen for good!
So he hammered and cursed, and he cursed and he hammered till finally he settled on one special spanner.
The spanner, you see, turned out to be key for it had special little teeth which aligned perfectly.
So with one mighty grunt and a spray of hot metal, off came the cups with which he intended to meddle.
It was then that DanBraden learned an important lesson; you oughtn’t be messin with what you've been messin...
But in for a penny and in for pound, DanBraden would drive out those horrible sounds.
So another BB did Danbraden order, one that was nicer and made him much poorer.
And when it arrived he marveled at its beauty, "How can I install this without getting screwy?"
Then he remembered how much he had hated that "creak" and that "pop" and how they had grated.
So he wrenched and the kirfed, and he kirfed and he wrenched till finally that BB went in like a cinch!
On went the cranks, and on went chain, and back he put Feathers together again!
And Lo and Behold, but what do you think?
That "pop" and that "creak" away they did slink!
THE END
The moral of the story? F bottom brackets...F them in the A
He tightened his post, he tightened his seat, he tightened his headset he tightened his feet!
But no matter how many nano-newtons he applied that "creak" and that "pop" continued to hide!
"I know" he said on one sunny day, "I'll swap out the wheels to chase it away!"
So feeling so smart and feeling so clever, he swapped out the wheels on the bike he called "Feathers"
But what would then happen? You should already know, but that "pop" and that "creak" they refused to go!
So back to the board did DanBraden go. What could he do? Well, what did he know?
Nothing was good, and nothing had worked and more and more he found himself irked!
"My fingers are greasy, my knuckles are sore, my pockets are empty, and I've hit the floor"
"I know" he said in a moment of clarity, "To the internet I'll go once I muster temerity!"
So off he went in search of a clue, but to get some respect he had to pay dues.
He was goaded and chided by all he encountered and he delighted the trolls with the tales of his flounder...
"A Flounder" you say, "Do you mean the fish?" There is SOMETHING that smells, but it’s certainly not this!
Then like a light at the end of a tunnel, He read that the BB was where his efforts should funnel.
"At last" he said all full of hope, "I had nearly reached the end of my rope!"
"I'll take it apart, all the way to the BB and find those darn noises which so far elude me!"
But saying and doing are two different things, and poor DanBraden would learn just what that would mean.
For once he removed all that he could, he was stuck with a BB that seemed frozen for good!
So he hammered and cursed, and he cursed and he hammered till finally he settled on one special spanner.
The spanner, you see, turned out to be key for it had special little teeth which aligned perfectly.
So with one mighty grunt and a spray of hot metal, off came the cups with which he intended to meddle.
It was then that DanBraden learned an important lesson; you oughtn’t be messin with what you've been messin...
But in for a penny and in for pound, DanBraden would drive out those horrible sounds.
So another BB did Danbraden order, one that was nicer and made him much poorer.
And when it arrived he marveled at its beauty, "How can I install this without getting screwy?"
Then he remembered how much he had hated that "creak" and that "pop" and how they had grated.
So he wrenched and the kirfed, and he kirfed and he wrenched till finally that BB went in like a cinch!
On went the cranks, and on went chain, and back he put Feathers together again!
And Lo and Behold, but what do you think?
That "pop" and that "creak" away they did slink!
THE END
The moral of the story? F bottom brackets...F them in the A
#4
Full Member
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 453
Likes: 2
From: Southern Appalachians
Bikes: A hauler, a commuter, and a steamroller.
I "fixed" mine by added a threaded insert that joins the two cups together inside the BB. It was not what I normally like to pay for bottom brackets.
#5
- Soli Deo Gloria -
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 14,779
Likes: 743
From: Northwest Georgia
Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix
Zero problems with Enduro Torqtite or Praxis bottom brackets in pressfit frames.
They are stupid simple and take minutes to install.
-Tim-
They are stupid simple and take minutes to install.
-Tim-
#7
Jet Jockey
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,941
Likes: 30
From: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.
People do get to happy with threadless BBs.
It just takes more time, money, and headache than threaded.
I know, as a BB30 user. It took two years to quiet it, and even now that it’s doing fine, I still hate it for all the reasons.
It just takes more time, money, and headache than threaded.
I know, as a BB30 user. It took two years to quiet it, and even now that it’s doing fine, I still hate it for all the reasons.
#8
Old fart



Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 26,347
Likes: 5,253
From: Appleton WI
Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.
I had been using it in a frame with no useable bottom bracket threads. I ended up getting the Bicycle Research bottom bracket reamer/Italian tap set and cut Italian threads into the shell. It's been fine ever since.

#9
Senior Member


Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,129
Likes: 56
From: Munising, Michigan, USA
Bikes: Priority 600, Priority Continuum, Devinci Dexter
Well...1) I learned about a first-rate company named Praxis, and 2) Then discovered that Wheels Mfg makes the same thing in the color red. And that's pretty much all the happiness I've gotten from press-fit bottom brackets.
#10
For The Fun of It

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,132
Likes: 2,002
From: Louisissippi Coast
Bikes: Lynskey GR300, Lynskey Backroad, Litespeed T6, Lynskey MT29, Burley Duet
Once upon a time, a newbie cyclist named DanBraden was trying to track down a "creak" and a "pop" that was living inside of his bike named Horse-Feathers.
He tightened his post, he tightened his seat, he tightened his headset he tightened his feet!
But no matter how many nano-newtons he applied that "creak" and that "pop" continued to hide!
"I know" he said on one sunny day, "I'll swap out the wheels to chase it away!"
So feeling so smart and feeling so clever, he swapped out the wheels on the bike he called "Feathers"
But what would then happen? You should already know, but that "pop" and that "creak" they refused to go!
So back to the board did DanBraden go. What could he do? Well, what did he know?
Nothing was good, and nothing had worked and more and more he found himself irked!
"My fingers are greasy, my knuckles are sore, my pockets are empty, and I've hit the floor"
"I know" he said in a moment of clarity, "To the internet I'll go once I muster temerity!"
So off he went in search of a clue, but to get some respect he had to pay dues.
He was goaded and chided by all he encountered and he delighted the trolls with the tales of his flounder...
"A Flounder" you say, "Do you mean the fish?" There is SOMETHING that smells, but it’s certainly not this!
Then like a light at the end of a tunnel, He read that the BB was where his efforts should funnel.
"At last" he said all full of hope, "I had nearly reached the end of my rope!"
"I'll take it apart, all the way to the BB and find those darn noises which so far elude me!"
But saying and doing are two different things, and poor DanBraden would learn just what that would mean.
For once he removed all that he could, he was stuck with a BB that seemed frozen for good!
So he hammered and cursed, and he cursed and he hammered till finally he settled on one special spanner.
The spanner, you see, turned out to be key for it had special little teeth which aligned perfectly.
So with one mighty grunt and a spray of hot metal, off came the cups with which he intended to meddle.
It was then that DanBraden learned an important lesson; you oughtn’t be messin with what you've been messin...
But in for a penny and in for pound, DanBraden would drive out those horrible sounds.
So another BB did Danbraden order, one that was nicer and made him much poorer.
And when it arrived he marveled at its beauty, "How can I install this without getting screwy?"
Then he remembered how much he had hated that "creak" and that "pop" and how they had grated.
So he wrenched and the kirfed, and he kirfed and he wrenched till finally that BB went in like a cinch!
On went the cranks, and on went chain, and back he put Feathers together again!
And Lo and Behold, but what do you think?
That "pop" and that "creak" away they did slink!
THE END
The moral of the story? F bottom brackets...F them in the A
He tightened his post, he tightened his seat, he tightened his headset he tightened his feet!
But no matter how many nano-newtons he applied that "creak" and that "pop" continued to hide!
"I know" he said on one sunny day, "I'll swap out the wheels to chase it away!"
So feeling so smart and feeling so clever, he swapped out the wheels on the bike he called "Feathers"
But what would then happen? You should already know, but that "pop" and that "creak" they refused to go!
So back to the board did DanBraden go. What could he do? Well, what did he know?
Nothing was good, and nothing had worked and more and more he found himself irked!
"My fingers are greasy, my knuckles are sore, my pockets are empty, and I've hit the floor"
"I know" he said in a moment of clarity, "To the internet I'll go once I muster temerity!"
So off he went in search of a clue, but to get some respect he had to pay dues.
He was goaded and chided by all he encountered and he delighted the trolls with the tales of his flounder...
"A Flounder" you say, "Do you mean the fish?" There is SOMETHING that smells, but it’s certainly not this!
Then like a light at the end of a tunnel, He read that the BB was where his efforts should funnel.
"At last" he said all full of hope, "I had nearly reached the end of my rope!"
"I'll take it apart, all the way to the BB and find those darn noises which so far elude me!"
But saying and doing are two different things, and poor DanBraden would learn just what that would mean.
For once he removed all that he could, he was stuck with a BB that seemed frozen for good!
So he hammered and cursed, and he cursed and he hammered till finally he settled on one special spanner.
The spanner, you see, turned out to be key for it had special little teeth which aligned perfectly.
So with one mighty grunt and a spray of hot metal, off came the cups with which he intended to meddle.
It was then that DanBraden learned an important lesson; you oughtn’t be messin with what you've been messin...
But in for a penny and in for pound, DanBraden would drive out those horrible sounds.
So another BB did Danbraden order, one that was nicer and made him much poorer.
And when it arrived he marveled at its beauty, "How can I install this without getting screwy?"
Then he remembered how much he had hated that "creak" and that "pop" and how they had grated.
So he wrenched and the kirfed, and he kirfed and he wrenched till finally that BB went in like a cinch!
On went the cranks, and on went chain, and back he put Feathers together again!
And Lo and Behold, but what do you think?
That "pop" and that "creak" away they did slink!
THE END
The moral of the story? F bottom brackets...F them in the A
#11
Senior Member

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,806
Likes: 420
From: Tucson Az
Bikes: 2015 Ridley Fenix, 1983 Team Fuji, 2019 Marin Nail Trail 6
I have around 5k miles on my pf30, and so far no problems at all. I do know at some point, probably sooner than later, that'll change, and when it does, I'm going with a Praxis or something similar.
I like working on bikes, but not enough to keep troubleshooting something like that, assuming I don't get it quite right the first time.
I like working on bikes, but not enough to keep troubleshooting something like that, assuming I don't get it quite right the first time.
#12
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 588
Likes: 17
Bikes: (2) 2019 Specialized Roll Sports, 1992 Merlin Road Ti, 1986 Schwinn Peloton, 2 Trek 920’s,
I just serviced the bottom bracket pressed in bearings on my new to me 1992 Merlin Road Ti. It has two tiny grease zerks that make it pretty easy.
The bike maybe had 250 miles on it when I bought it from its original owner. I used a Park fine point tipped grease gun, pummped grease
into the tiny zerks and by pumping the gun three times simply pushed the old grease out of the bearing. I used white lighting as it is a clear grease. Once I saw clear white lightening I knew that the old grease had been pushed out. The 1992 Merlin owners manual says grease the BB every thousand miles.
This was the first service BB service since 1992. I have traded emails with Tom Kellogg at Spectrum Cycles and he said they would be happy to install sealed bearings if I decided that’s what I wanted to do. Servicing the BB is pretty easy. Since the bike has so little miles on it...I may just keep it as is.
a few pics- the bottom pic..service cleaned up and done.



Last edited by Patriot1; 07-15-18 at 05:56 PM.
#14
Senior Member

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,611
Likes: 478
Just about the only good thing about a press fit BB is that Praxis and the like work very well and don't cost very much. In other words, the solution is to introduce threaded interfaces into the situation. The irony.
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