Riding slower than your normal pace
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Yeah. I could ride a slower bike for recovery rides. But then I'd work harder to go that pace, too, and have to go even slower. Oh, where will it end?
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If the goal is to commute to work while not getting sweaty, and you're riding your club racer, then it could be that the fit of the bike makes it more comfortable to go fast than go slow.
So get a hybrid or other sort of urban bike that sits you very upright and takes a lot of weight off your pedals. That way, you'll really have to go out of your way to go fast.
So get a hybrid or other sort of urban bike that sits you very upright and takes a lot of weight off your pedals. That way, you'll really have to go out of your way to go fast.
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I did not imply there was a right way of doing things. I stated that there is a right way to train.
My concern is training specifically and exclusively.
There are surely incorrect ways to train and going too hard on recovery days or during base training are mistakes many make. It is not possible to understate how slow and boring a recovery ride or a base miles can be. Most simply go too hard and call it recovery because its Monday or base because it happens to be early spring.
To the OP's question of why, recovery and base miles remain valid reasons to ride slow. That hasn't changed.
-Tim-
My concern is training specifically and exclusively.
There are surely incorrect ways to train and going too hard on recovery days or during base training are mistakes many make. It is not possible to understate how slow and boring a recovery ride or a base miles can be. Most simply go too hard and call it recovery because its Monday or base because it happens to be early spring.
To the OP's question of why, recovery and base miles remain valid reasons to ride slow. That hasn't changed.
-Tim-
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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have suggested that you were outlining the proper training regimen for the OP when what you were doing was outlining the right training regimen for everyone who trains. Yeah, that's way better. I also shouldn't have said I'd never train like that because it would make riding boring because apparently that's a good thing?!
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Where does Tim tell everyone or the OP how to train? He is (correctly) observing that most people who set out to do a recovery ride do so for too long and too hard. I have seen objective data that support this at the fitness device company I’m involved with. But Tim is not advocating that you do recovery rides.
He also observed that most people targeting Z1/Z2 overtrain and hit Z3 which lessens the aerobic benefit significantly. I have also seen objective data supporting this statement. Note that Tim does not advocate training in Z1/2, only that those who intend to do so often overtrain.
And the reason he writes this (as he says) is to answer OP’s question by citing examples of why some people might want to train slower.
You don’t train that way? Fine, nobody asked you to. Don’t want to train at all? Fine, nobody’s advocating that you should. But Tim is right that this is a legit reason people might decide to slow down.
I only wanted to post this in his defense, because he raises a legitimate point. Joe Friel would further agree. But otherwise I have no inclination to get bogged down in Internet silliness any further—I’m out.
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Active recovery and aerobic base miles.
Most people ride too long and too hard on recovery rides. Most people ride zone 1 and low zone 2 aerobic base miles too hard as well, or they ride zone 3 and think they are doing aerobic base miles.
This is one of the beauties of a heart rate monitor and correctly calculated heart rate zones. It helps with focus and discipline. Some heart rate monitors can be set to beep when heart rate falls out of a specific range. Shift to an easier gear and spin. This type of riding is measured in hours, not miles.
-Tim-
Most people ride too long and too hard on recovery rides. Most people ride zone 1 and low zone 2 aerobic base miles too hard as well, or they ride zone 3 and think they are doing aerobic base miles.
This is one of the beauties of a heart rate monitor and correctly calculated heart rate zones. It helps with focus and discipline. Some heart rate monitors can be set to beep when heart rate falls out of a specific range. Shift to an easier gear and spin. This type of riding is measured in hours, not miles.
-Tim-
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Where did the OP post anything about "recovery" rides or any desire to train or make pretend he was training for anything? Or give a darn about proper training regimens?
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If the goal is to commute to work while not getting sweaty, and you're riding your club racer, then it could be that the fit of the bike makes it more comfortable to go fast than go slow.
So get a hybrid or other sort of urban bike that sits you very upright and takes a lot of weight off your pedals. That way, you'll really have to go out of your way to go fast.
So get a hybrid or other sort of urban bike that sits you very upright and takes a lot of weight off your pedals. That way, you'll really have to go out of your way to go fast.
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It's like "why ride slower, if riding a bit faster doesn't take a noticeable amount of energy more" - until you get to the point where the increase in energy spent becomes noticeable. The only times I do go slower than usual is if I'm not feeling well.
Is it the same with you?
Is it the same with you?
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You're the one being obtuse here, intentionally or otherwise. I'm done here, you just can't acknowledge your own reading comprehension fail.
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You just entirely changed your explanation of what we're supposedly being intentionally obtuse about. OP did not ask for training advice, you said he did and that's why training advice was offered as if it were the one right way to train. Now you're saying it is to be expected that the question he didn't ask is the one we should expect people to answer.
You're the one being obtuse here, intentionally or otherwise. I'm done here, you just can't acknowledge your own reading comprehension fail.
You're the one being obtuse here, intentionally or otherwise. I'm done here, you just can't acknowledge your own reading comprehension fail.
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Read it again, he was asking himself that and realized it was a mental trick on himself causing him to creep up his speed. He asked if that's happened to other people. He never once asked anyone but himself why ride slower. You're being ridiculous.
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Apparently a couple of posters believe this is the Road Cycling list and every post or question, no matter what the topic, is really about "training" for whatever it is that Road Cyclists are "training."
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Give it up. You know you're wrong and you keep shifting your explanation.
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yes, I fell for that mental trap
no, because I knew better ie training
what other responses are possible to the question asked?
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He never mentioned training concerns, he was getting too sweaty on his commute. The training stuff was a huge thread hijack. You're now on explanation number 4, so I'm not reading any further responses.
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what part of asking for other's experiences was hard to comprehend? No one said he had to be training, just that its one of the reasons why others would be riding slower than their normal pace.