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Old 09-18-18 | 01:06 PM
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Sabotaged tire!

I put a new Schwalbe Lugano on my rear wheel a month ago. Sunday I felt a hop and saw the rear tire bulging, more in the sidewalls than on the tread, further forward on the right than the left. I saw no damage to the tire until I took it off and found 2 diagonal slits of the belts on its inside. How could this have happened?
(I bought it from Niagara Cycle last November so I can't get a refund. )
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Doesn't sound like sabotage to me.
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Old 09-18-18 | 01:19 PM
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Pretty sure no one dismounted the tire, slashed the inside, remounted and reinflated it ....but it Could happen. Are any of your baby bolts missing?
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Old 09-18-18 | 01:23 PM
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Are any of your baby bolts missing?
Oh behave!
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Old 09-19-18 | 03:52 PM
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Doesn't sound like sabotage to me.
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Pretty sure no one dismounted the tire, slashed the inside, remounted and reinflated it ....but it Could happen. Are any of your baby bolts missing?
I speculate that someone at Niagara Cycle or the manufacturer slit them. There are 2 slits, parallel, about a centimeter apart. I asked here in case someone had a similar experience and a better guess. I thought about that I slit open the box when it arrives, but I'm always careful to make sure I don't cut the contents.
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Old 09-19-18 | 04:23 PM
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While we are speculating sabotage...might as well speculate that someone followed you home because you did not wave at them.
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Old 09-19-18 | 04:51 PM
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While we are speculating sabotage...might as well speculate that someone followed you home because you did not wave at them.
Howabow using grease instead of wax? EPA will come a knockin soon enough.
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I put a new Schwalbe Lugano on my rear wheel a month ago.
My 2013 Cannondale Synapse came with Schwalbe Lugano from the factory. Less than 400 miles I got a bulge. I am guessing it came from a gap height difference from pavement to a bridge/overpass on the road.

don't buy the same tire again.
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Sounds like broken belt strands to me. When a cord(s) in the tires construction breaks, the integrity is lost and the rubber bulges from the air pressure and lack of internal support. The slits you see is where the inside rubber split adjacent to the broken cords. I know you already figured out, the tire is toast. Considering it’s a Schwalbe, I’d call it a fluke.


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Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
I speculate that someone at Niagara Cycle or the manufacturer slit them. There are 2 slits, parallel, about a centimeter apart. I asked here in case someone had a similar experience and a better guess. I thought about that I slit open the box when it arrives, but I'm always careful to make sure I don't cut the contents.
Ot it could be a manufacturing defect. I was on a group ride once. Guy flatted. Both of his in-the-box tubes that he bought at the same time had slits in the seams. Must have been a bad run. But speculate away if the imagined intrigue brings excitement to your life.
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Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
I put a new Schwalbe Lugano on my rear wheel a month ago. Sunday I felt a hop and saw the rear tire bulging, more in the sidewalls than on the tread, further forward on the right than the left. I saw no damage to the tire until I took it off and found 2 diagonal slits of the belts on its inside. How could this have happened?
(I bought it from Niagara Cycle last November so I can't get a refund. )
do you do a lot of bike trail / street crossings? Parking lot entrances? or crossing sidewalks?
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Old 09-20-18 | 07:39 AM
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Niagara Cycle saboteurs...this is why they went under!
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Originally Posted by Kedosto
Sounds like broken belt strands to me. When a cord(s) in the tires construction breaks, the integrity is lost and the rubber bulges from the air pressure and lack of internal support. The slits you see is where the inside rubber split adjacent to the broken cords. I know you already figured out, the tire is toast.
This. I'd guess OP ran through a monster pothole or into a curb to break the cords, because that's how a lot of similar failures happen.
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Agree, sounds like split cords in the carcass. I had a batch of Stelvios that did the same thing, years ago. Get another brand, at least until Schwalbe can learn how to prevent the Luganos from self-destructing.
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I like the whole sabotage idea better.

OP: The next time you are riding behind a car keep a close eye out in case the driver releases a bunch of thumbtacks or a stream of oil. Sounds like there is someone out there trying to do you in.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Ot it could be a manufacturing defect. I was on a group ride once. Guy flatted. Both of his in-the-box tubes that he bought at the same time had slits in the seams. Must have been a bad run. But speculate away if the imagined intrigue brings excitement to your life.
I am likely overly cautious or paranoid, but it is not my fault. It runs in the family. I am mystified that someone would carry two tubes for emergencies and not have tested them beforehand. With new tubes, I pump them up and leave them overnight as a test. If not sure about them, why carry them?
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Originally Posted by berner
If not sure about them, why carry them?
Because the realistic chances of new tubes being defective are, at best, remote. For that reason, I am sure the guy did not feel unsure about them. I have been riding in a billion situations in many places in the country and had never seen anything like that before. Haven't seen anything like it since. Life would really suck if you did not have faith in the overwhelming majority of things you rely on every day working as expected.
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Old 09-20-18 | 11:08 AM
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I don't really test my tubes. I don't see many defective tubes and I have been working in bike shops for a reasonably long time. Maybe 1 in 1000 is truly defective and I bet that number is smaller. I define a defective tube as one that is split at the seams, other than that user error can cause so many issues I cannot really blame it on the tube.
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Originally Posted by Kedosto
Sounds like broken belt strands to me.


Good idea! I hadn't thought of it.

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Considering it’s a Schwalbe, I’d call it a fluke.
I've had good luck with all my other Schwalbes. The Mart of Wal has started selling a Goodyear that fits (700x28) I'll try them.

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Are any of your baby bolts missing?
? I looked up Baby Bolts and found baby fans of Syracuse's baseball team, and an English toy.

Originally Posted by Metieval
do you do a lot of bike trail / street crossings? Parking lot entrances? or crossing sidewalks?
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This. I'd guess OP ran through a monster pothole or into a curb to break the cords, because that's how a lot of similar failures happen.
I had no event like this. The outside of the tire looks as good as new. The slits on the inside are clean and thin.
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Old 09-20-18 | 12:57 PM
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Gotta fess up, it was me testing the new microwave laser gun.

I can heat up a hot dog from 500 yards--slitting a tire from the inside is child's play.
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I used to be a big fan of Schwalbe Lugano tyres, and had them fitted to all my road bikes, but the quality seems to have plummeted over the last year. I've had three tyres fail in that time, with tears, bulges in the tread, etc.



The photo shows one that failed earlier this year - road use only, and just a few hundred miles on it.

I've been replacing the tyres with Continental Ultra Sport 2s - so far no problems to report.
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I found Schwalbe customer service to be excellent.
Try contacting them.

I have never run a Lugano, but I have heard they switched manufacturing sites in Asia about a year or so ago. I can't verify the specifics.
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Gotta fess up, it was me testing the new microwave laser gun.
Curses!
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