How in the hell is this true?
09-25-18 | 05:42 AM
#29
Mike J
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From: Jacksonville Florida
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09-25-18 | 09:04 AM
#31
Tragically Ignorant
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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
09-25-18 | 09:18 AM
#33
Generally bewildered
Joined: Aug 2015
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From: Eastern PA, USA
Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 6.9, 1999 LeMond Zurich, 1978 Schwinn Superior
Not to highjack the thread, Onyer, but I just bought a 1978 Schwinn Superior - hand fillet brazed and all. One of the amusing and fun extras of this particular bike was a League of American Wheelmen sticker on the frame. So the sticker is circa 1978-1994 (when the name changed). I'm betting nearer to 1978.
09-25-18 | 09:24 AM
#34
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No kidding.
OP stated the ‘overwhelming’ reason he lives in Idaho is because it is bike friendly but then goes on to state that it isn’t bike friendly. Huh?
Did he seriously think that the Idaho stop law alone made it safer/friendlier for cyclists?
That’s seems pretty silly.
Someone would move to or stay in Idaho just because they made it legal to do the same thing all other cyclists are already doing in other states. Legal or not. Huhza?
And wouldn’t it dawn on someone that car drivers might not love the idea of cyclists blowing through stop signs which could in fact create the reverse of a bike friendly environment?
OP stated the ‘overwhelming’ reason he lives in Idaho is because it is bike friendly but then goes on to state that it isn’t bike friendly. Huh?
Did he seriously think that the Idaho stop law alone made it safer/friendlier for cyclists?
That’s seems pretty silly.
Someone would move to or stay in Idaho just because they made it legal to do the same thing all other cyclists are already doing in other states. Legal or not. Huhza?
And wouldn’t it dawn on someone that car drivers might not love the idea of cyclists blowing through stop signs which could in fact create the reverse of a bike friendly environment?
10-02-18 | 07:40 PM
#36
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I live in the most bike friendly state in the US of A. For one overwhelming reason.
What state do I live in? Here’s a hint...it might be the last one you ever thought possible.
Here’s another hint. This state has had really progressive bike laws on the books for the last 36 years! REALLY progressive laws. In a state where “progressive” is a swear word.
Since I was two years old, this state has had bike policies, by law, that no other state in the entire US of A has ever attempted.
Some US cities are trying to copy those laws now. Studies have proven that these laws decrease cyclist vs car incidents and also speed up traffic flow by a large margin.
So, where do I live?
What state do I live in?
Can you guess it?
Here is the downside. I live in one of the least progressive states in the US (politically), with a culture that hates cyclists on the road, but boasts the best bike policy imaginable. How many people understand the bike policies here? Zero. They have been in place for 36 years, but not one motorist knows that. I still get folks yelling, “learn the laws” out of their car windows.
But...
They are actually wrong. 36 years wrong.
Where do I live?
What state do I live in? Here’s a hint...it might be the last one you ever thought possible.
Here’s another hint. This state has had really progressive bike laws on the books for the last 36 years! REALLY progressive laws. In a state where “progressive” is a swear word.
Since I was two years old, this state has had bike policies, by law, that no other state in the entire US of A has ever attempted.
Some US cities are trying to copy those laws now. Studies have proven that these laws decrease cyclist vs car incidents and also speed up traffic flow by a large margin.
So, where do I live?
What state do I live in?
Can you guess it?
Here is the downside. I live in one of the least progressive states in the US (politically), with a culture that hates cyclists on the road, but boasts the best bike policy imaginable. How many people understand the bike policies here? Zero. They have been in place for 36 years, but not one motorist knows that. I still get folks yelling, “learn the laws” out of their car windows.
But...
They are actually wrong. 36 years wrong.
Where do I live?
10-02-18 | 08:00 PM
#38
Optically Corrected
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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10-03-18 | 12:39 AM
#39
velo-dilettante
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From: insane diego, california
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10-03-18 | 09:07 AM
#40
Newbie racer
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FWIW, in cities I was in in France, there's often a bike button at the front position at stop lights you can push.
I think the crux of the issue was stated above "eff you, I've got mine".
I agree with the libertarian idea here of "practical common sense to manage the efficiency of traffic interactions".
One HUGE thing that many motorists just don't get, is that a 2-UP chaingang is actually a courtesy to motorists. Why? If 30 to 40 people are strung out twice as far, you have to wait for twice as big of a gap to pass them all. In a 2-UP arrangement, you have a much better chance of an opening to pass them.
But the outrage over this from people is just beyond comprehension.
IMHO, it'll never change until you add mandatory driver's test scenarios involving bikes. Not a text question, but pictures and scenarios.
I used to get all indignant about motorcycle behavior. But, as a roadie on a bike, I now "get it" a lot more.
I think the crux of the issue was stated above "eff you, I've got mine".
I agree with the libertarian idea here of "practical common sense to manage the efficiency of traffic interactions".
One HUGE thing that many motorists just don't get, is that a 2-UP chaingang is actually a courtesy to motorists. Why? If 30 to 40 people are strung out twice as far, you have to wait for twice as big of a gap to pass them all. In a 2-UP arrangement, you have a much better chance of an opening to pass them.
But the outrage over this from people is just beyond comprehension.
IMHO, it'll never change until you add mandatory driver's test scenarios involving bikes. Not a text question, but pictures and scenarios.
I used to get all indignant about motorcycle behavior. But, as a roadie on a bike, I now "get it" a lot more.
10-03-18 | 08:14 PM
#41
Cycleway town
Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Milton Keynes, England
Bikes: 2.6kw GT LTS e-tandem, 250w Voodoo, 250w solar recumbent trike, 3-speed shopper, Merlin ol/skl mtb, 80cc Ellswick
You should try England. It's great. I can jump red lights whenever I like, whilst over the speed limit, and whilst over the drink-drive limit, and still not be breaking the law.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
10-04-18 | 05:17 AM
#42
Advocatus Diaboli
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From: Wherever I am
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You should try England. It's great. I can jump red lights whenever I like, whilst over the speed limit, and whilst over the drink-drive limit, and still not be breaking the law.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
10-04-18 | 02:27 PM
#43
Tragically Ignorant
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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
You should try England. It's great. I can jump red lights whenever I like, whilst over the speed limit, and whilst over the drink-drive limit, and still not be breaking the law.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
But I don't, because I don't ride on the roads - here in my town we ride on pavements instead.
Do I have to say "whilst"? Might be a deal-breaker.
10-04-18 | 08:16 PM
#44
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I'm an Anarchist, Anarcho-capitalist to be 100% accurate. I don't respect any of your "laws", let alone petty cycling laws. Motorists don't respect any of your laws, because it's not a crime to break them, it's a statutory. Nobody goes to jail for breaking them.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
10-05-18 | 04:07 AM
#45
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I'm an Anarchist, Anarcho-capitalist to be 100% accurate. I don't respect any of your "laws", let alone petty cycling laws. Motorists don't respect any of your laws, because it's not a crime to break them, it's a statutory. Nobody goes to jail for breaking them.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
10-05-18 | 04:22 AM
#46
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Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Minas Ithil
I'm an Anarchist, Anarcho-capitalist to be 100% accurate. I don't respect any of your "laws", let alone petty cycling laws. Motorists don't respect any of your laws, because it's not a crime to break them, it's a statutory. Nobody goes to jail for breaking them.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
10-05-18 | 06:41 AM
#48
Tragically Ignorant
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 15,593
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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
I'm an Anarchist, Anarcho-capitalist to be 100% accurate. I don't respect any of your "laws", let alone petty cycling laws. Motorists don't respect any of your laws, because it's not a crime to break them, it's a statutory. Nobody goes to jail for breaking them.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
I live by my own law, if I'm at a red light and nothing is coming I don't stop. Doing as your government tells you leads to the holocaust. Don't be a sheep.
First they came for the rolling stoppers, and I said nothing because...
That's some real tough rebel cred you got going there. Now do "why I cut in line at McDonald's".
10-05-18 | 09:10 AM
#49
Cycleway town
Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Milton Keynes, England
Bikes: 2.6kw GT LTS e-tandem, 250w Voodoo, 250w solar recumbent trike, 3-speed shopper, Merlin ol/skl mtb, 80cc Ellswick
10-05-18 | 09:12 AM
#50
Cycleway town
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,397
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From: Milton Keynes, England
Bikes: 2.6kw GT LTS e-tandem, 250w Voodoo, 250w solar recumbent trike, 3-speed shopper, Merlin ol/skl mtb, 80cc Ellswick