Stay in the Saddle or Stand Up?
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I'm generally more of a sitter on climbs, though I'm trying to work on my standing technique. I'm pretty good at it on a single speed bike (out of necessity), but not as good when I have a wide variety of gearing options available.
One interesting thing I've noticed is the variety of techniques for climbing on my group rides, even among fairly equally paced riders. Some will stand most of the way, some can sit and spin with crazy high RPMs, and others (myself included) prefer to sit and put out power at a lower RPM.
One interesting thing I've noticed is the variety of techniques for climbing on my group rides, even among fairly equally paced riders. Some will stand most of the way, some can sit and spin with crazy high RPMs, and others (myself included) prefer to sit and put out power at a lower RPM.
You'll see huge variety in this when you're watching TDF riders on a long hill as well.
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I misspoke there. If you have a high gear to climb in you're pretty much stuck standing and pumping up a hill. A LOT of young guys are still doing this. Among other things the bike has to be fit properly so that standing you can be nearly upright and still have complete hold on the bars.
But this position makes it almost impossible to spin circles and that engages all of your muscles. This in turn make you grow tired faster.
But this position makes it almost impossible to spin circles and that engages all of your muscles. This in turn make you grow tired faster.
If you stand vertically, pulling up is both far harder and loads the knee pushing down. For most out there, that isn't an issue. For some of us with knee issues, that would really limit what I could do uphill. (That 14% hill I would have had to walk. Just standing on the pedal with all my weight and the bike would have rolled backwards.)
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That hits on one of the most overlooked factors in figuring out how to ride a hill--the slope changes your body's relationship to the handlebars, frame and pedals so much that it's like operating a different bike from when it's on level. It's not just a matter of increased resistance, it's a different geometry, and this difference gets bigger with each degree of slope.
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Standing is also useful when you're in a group and you want the riders around you to give you a little room. People automatically move away from someone standing. I read that on Steve Tilford's blog a while back and I tried it, he was right (as usual.)
Possibly more useful in a race than a group ride but whatever.
Possibly more useful in a race than a group ride but whatever.
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No. I climb on bikes with long, low stems so I have the full ability to pull up (actually up and forward) on the pedals as hard as I want. And I am not a hack climbing hills. (Ask the folks I passed or couldn't catch me climbing the 2 mile hill on Cycle Oregon 4 years ago with its 14% grades. I should have been an easy target. I was riding fix gear with a flip-flop wheel and didn't stop and flip so I did the whole thing on a 42-17. My back was close to horizontal.
If you stand vertically, pulling up is both far harder and loads the knee pushing down. For most out there, that isn't an issue. For some of us with knee issues, that would really limit what I could do uphill. (That 14% hill I would have had to walk. Just standing on the pedal with all my weight and the bike would have rolled backwards.)
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If you stand vertically, pulling up is both far harder and loads the knee pushing down. For most out there, that isn't an issue. For some of us with knee issues, that would really limit what I could do uphill. (That 14% hill I would have had to walk. Just standing on the pedal with all my weight and the bike would have rolled backwards.)
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I wonder what gear did you use for riding sitting up the 20% half mile long climb? And how fast were you spinning? So far I've never encountered such steep climbs (except for, may be, some very short ones, like 100 feet long or so) but I find it quite difficult to maintain high cadence sitting even on much more reasonable climbs, e.g. 7-8%, with 34x32 low gear. And many have 34x28 or even higher.
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I wonder what gear did you use for riding sitting up the 20% half mile long climb? And how fast were you spinning? So far I've never encountered such steep climbs (except for, may be, some very short ones, like 100 feet long or so) but I find it quite difficult to maintain high cadence sitting even on much more reasonable climbs, e.g. 7-8%, with 34x32 low gear. And many have 34x28 or even higher.
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In one of the local centuries a couple of years ago they had this 20% climb that was a half mile long. Sitting I could turn circles and ended up passing a lot of the fast guys up that. Then later I was riding on what I thought was a roller and then I remembered that in this area was a series of three really hard climbs. As I caught up to someone that was probably getting tired since we were 70 miles into the century, I asked where those hills were and he said "You're on the last one". It couldn't be more than 8% and everyone used to be afraid of it. Or maybe because so much of my riding now concentrates on climbing and not mileage.
Do you have a link to that 1/2 mile 20% climb?
The longest 20% I can think of around here is less than .1 mile, & we've got some pretty good hills.
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I stand up, because for me it's the easiest and most efficient way to climb hills.
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Remember that I've had a concussion so details come and go. This was after the half-way point rest stop on the Grizzly Peak Century. There were a lot of people pushing their bikes up that hill. The other hills were the Three Bears. Actually if felt more like a roller.
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I just did a 50 miler and forgot to bring my energy bars along. Hope I don't do that again.
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