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Old 11-04-21, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese View Post
Except that there are still some very high-end bikes that come with a triple (think Rivdendell, for example), and manufacturers are still releasing new triple cranksets. People still buy them, new.
Yes, and people are still breeding very high end horses and manufacturing buggies. People still buy them, new.
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Old 11-04-21, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
They're obsolete in the same way that the horse and buggy are obsolete -- it doesn't mean there aren't people that still use them.
Real life picture of the pro-double crowd here seeing a triple...



It's purely fashion. Doubles have no benefits vs triples out outside of "Don't Wear White After Labor Day" fashion contests.
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Old 11-04-21, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Real life picture of the pro-double crowd here seeing a triple...

It's purely fashion. Doubles have no benefits vs triples out outside of "Don't Wear White After Labor Day" fashion contests.
I don't understand the humor or the logic, but at least it gave you an excuse to post of picture of some boobs.
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Old 11-04-21, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
To my eye, the Sugino looks a little more beautiful than the Velo Orange. You might check "Spa Cycles" which is a British bike shop that seems to specialize in old school touring bikes. Last I checked they had some fairly nice triple 110/74 road crankarms for not a lot of money.

But both of them you list do seem reasonable price wise. I'm more of a tinkerer so I would be more likely to build my own triple by using a triplizer from TA Specialties or refurbing an MTB 110/74 set of crankarms and fitting them with some nice chainrings. With all this said, my first choice in a triple drivetrain is to get a Shimano 9 or 10 speed triple matched chainring crank from the 105/Ultegra or Dura Ace Series. Finding these NOS after Covid-19 is going to be a challenge though. Also these Shimano triples really do index in the front if set up properly . The trim clicks and the shifting can be made to be spot on if you know what you are doing when setting it up. You do have to go with the default chainring choices though in order to have the pristine index performance that you deserve.
There are 7 Shimano FC-6206 cranks on the Bay currently. One of Shimano's prettiest high end cranks ever made.

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Old 11-04-21, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post

It's purely fashion. Doubles have no benefits vs triples out outside of "Don't Wear White After Labor Day" fashion contests.
Doubles are fashion now are they. Righto.
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Old 11-04-21, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese View Post
Except that there are still some very high-end bikes that come with a triple (think Rivdendell, for example), and manufacturers are still releasing new triple cranksets. People still buy them, new.
They might well be "high end" but they look like vintage retro-bikes to me. Many of them also appear to be 2x

This is like arguing that vintage cars are not obsolete.
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Old 11-04-21, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
They might well be "high end" but they look like vintage retro-bikes to me. Many of them also appear to be 2x.
Are they even "high end"? Most of their frames are either $1000 or $1650, with their road frame being the most expensive at $2800.
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Old 11-04-21, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Are they even "high end"? Most of their frames are either $1000 or $1650, with their road frame being the most expensive at $2800.
Good point, I didn't even look at the prices. I just presumed they were going to be expensive "Artisan" pieces.
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Old 11-04-21, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Real life picture of the pro-double crowd here seeing a triple...
Isn't that a picture of the OP looking at an MTB 1x ?
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Old 11-04-21, 02:59 PM
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Front derailleurs were designed by cavemen. Moving to a single ring with a large spread of cogs in the back is the superior layout.

Smaller rings put more tension in the chain compared to the same ratio with a larger chainring, and the smaller ring will result in increased drag and wear.
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Old 11-04-21, 03:01 PM
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I had a long enough foray with a subcompact crank to decide that triples still aren't dead to me if I need low gears on the road. The ~53% difference between the 46 and 30t chainrings was too big for my liking. I had it paired with an 11-30t cassette and found myself crosschaining far more than I do on my road bike with a 53/39 chainset just to avoid shifting across that huge gap. I also wasn't a fan of the Shimano 11-34t 11 speed cassette I used for a while, the 11-13-15 cog spacing at the top end was not my favorite. I'm glad there are still companies like Sugino, Stronglight, and TA still making triples for neurotic chainring gap aficionados like myself. For offroad stuff all those fickle preferences go out the window, 1x all day baby.
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Old 11-04-21, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
Doubles are fashion now are they. Righto.
Lol, ok, name something 2x can do that 3x cannot.

With race rules adding minimum bike weights, there's literally no advantage to 2x, it's an amusing "red bikes are faster than black bikes" fashion driven debate.
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Old 11-04-21, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Lol, ok, name something 2x can do that 3x cannot.

With race rules adding minimum bike weights, there's literally no advantage to 2x, it's an amusing "red bikes are faster than black bikes" fashion driven debate.
That's like saying name something a 3x can do that a 4x cannot? As you gain ever more rear gears, there comes a point when more front chainrings are not necessary for most uses.

And why are you bringing up racing yet again where 3x was never seriously considered in the last 40 years? Why would a racer want to add a redundant 3rd chainring, requiring a longer reach FD?

The people who prefer 3x are either using older systems with less gears on their cassette or they need a very wide range, while simultaneously demanding very closely spaced ratios. Nobody needs to be a rocket scientist to work out that more front chainrings provide a wider range and closer ratios for a given number of rear gears. It's just that with 11 or 12 rear gears, 2 chainrings appears to be more than enough for the vast majority of riders. Today it's more a question of whether or not you even need 2 chainrings. The whole mtb world already answered that question some years ago. For gravel it's a toss up and for road 2x is still very much dominant. 3x is now in the realms of obscurity, whether you like it or not.
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Old 11-04-21, 07:19 PM
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Taking a shirt with 1 front pocket (that no one actually uses) and giving it 3 front pockets (that no one uses) is a change in fashion, not functionality.
Trying to convince everyone the old style is "obscure" or comparing to fictional 4x front chainrings are exactly the kind of things marketers do to push new fashion while pretending it's about functionality.

Likewise removing a cog from the front just to add it back on the back is a fashion change.

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And why are you bringing up racing yet again where 3x was never seriously considered in the last 40 years?
Eh, it was the polite way of avoiding saying that the only way to say about bikes in general is that the person has no idea what's actually sold in bikes shops.

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Old 11-04-21, 07:37 PM
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Everything said in this thread has been said about six different times in several different ways. We are just recycling now ....
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Taking a shirt with 1 front pocket (that no one actually uses) and giving it 3 front pockets (that no one uses) is a change in fashion, not functionality.
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What the what?! So in this analogy, no one uses their chain rings?

Seriously, you have completely lost the plot.
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Everything that happens in life it is now caused by climate change from that flat you got, to your brake cables fraying. Nothing, not one single event, can occur without it being related to climate change.

Therefore, triple chainrings are no longer widely available due to climate change.

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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Everything said in this thread has been said about six different times in several different ways. We are just recycling now ....
Yeah, you're right.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Everything said in this thread has been said about six different times in several different ways. We are just recycling now ....
I don't know, the analogy with shirt pockets is new. It makes no sense, but it is new.
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I want a 3x now just because they suck.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Taking a shirt with 1 front pocket (that no one actually uses) and giving it 3 front pockets (that no one uses) is a change in fashion, not functionality.
So, a shirt with one pocket is like a 1x setup, where no one actually uses the front chain ring? And a shirt with 3 pockets is like a 3x setup, where no one uses any of the chain rings? Given that neither system is functional, I guess you're correct stating there is no change of functionality.
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Originally Posted by Gravel Rider View Post
I want a 3x now just because they suck.
I want more shirt pockets.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
Well, no doubt they'll be happy to endless rearrange the pockets on this years shirt and you can drop a grand on a new shirt that's actually the same as the old shirt.

Your original analogy using shirt pockets didn't make any sense. The above continues down that path.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Your original analogy using shirt pockets didn't make any sense. The above continues down that path.
I understand, all marketing needs to do is put a new color of paint on the same bike as last year and you think it's new and faster and better.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
I understand, all marketing needs to do is put a new color of paint on the same bike as last year and you think it's new and faster and better.
So, we left shirt pockets behind, and now we're talking about paint colors? What does that have to do with 1x, 2x and 3x setups?

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