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Sy Reene 11-15-21 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by shelbyfv (Post 22308534)
I agree, might be a fair policy. The mods will generally close a thread when the OP asks but no guarantees. I was refused once. :rolleyes: On the other hand, recently one of the 2020 troll crop had embarrassing bike pics removed from another member's post! Apparently he realized they were an impediment to his doomed struggle for BF credibility.:twitchy:

OTOH, taking this entire thread as an example, I doubt the OP would close this. At the same time the moderators let this continue, but the topic has nothing to do with General Cycling (though I guess you could argue that it qualifies because the topic "doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums..").

spelger 11-15-21 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by base2 (Post 22308505)
I can't imagine a more snow-flakey response than to curate the world to only include thoughts, feeling, or opinions that you agree with.

i don't think that is the reason why most use the ignore feature (which i don't know how to use). pretty sure it has more to do with insults and the like.

3alarmer 11-15-21 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by spelger (Post 22308587)
i don't think that is the reason why most use the ignore feature (which i don't know how to use). pretty sure it has more to do with insults and the like.


...I use it for the same reason George Mallory climbed Everest.

fishboat 11-15-21 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by base2 (Post 22308505)

I have no understanding of how the "ignore" function works. I have never used it. I assume it works both ways. Is the offensive poster is blipped from forum existence from your perspective? Does that mean you are deleted from their existence as well? I ask because there are a number of posters I enjoyed reading that have disappeared. It could just be that posters I used to read & I have stopped crossing paths, but I have always had the nagging feeling the "ignore" function may be to blame.

In either case, I can't imagine a more snow-flakey response than to curate the world to only include thoughts, feeling, or opinions that you agree with.

I'd think the ignore function is a one-way trip..it's part of each member's user profile..which sounds fairly user-specific..like a username or password..etc... I see no reason why it would work in both directions..though in the slight chance that it did..I'd have no issue with it. Speaking for myself..there's no attempt to create a "snow-flakey" world. When I read a thread I often read successive responses without noting who actually authored the next response. If someone is on an ignore list the forum just inserts a notice that the next response "username is on your ignore list". The function it serves for me is increased efficiency in reading better content. Previous to using the ignore list I'd start reading the next response and at some point I'd think..'this guy is whacked..'..I'd look at the author only to find it's someone who is a zero in my world. The ignore function is a convenient way to not spend time suffering fools...more than once..certainly not more than twice. Life is too short..

I have no issues if someone doesn't agree with me. Sometimes I learn something and sometimes I don't. Typically I don't enter into debates on forums..waste of time & people seldom(like..never) change their opinion. People can believe what they like..it don't matter to me. Some folks just like to debate..anything..anything at all..anytime..any topic..I don't care..debate someone else..

I've learned sooo much by reading various posts here ..the good content.. over the years. I seldom start a thread as the answers to my many questions are invariably on the forum already..with just a tiny bit of searching, or on the web somewhere. About 95% of the time I have a question and do research for an answer, here or anywhere else it's available, and I never even think of posting a (often a rather mindless) question on BF "how do I...?..what do I do if...?" Seems a rather a lazy approach to learning something.

base2 11-15-21 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by spelger (Post 22308587)
i don't think that is the reason why most use the ignore feature (which i don't know how to use). pretty sure it has more to do with insults and the like.


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 22308605)
...I use it for the same reason George Mallory climbed Everest.


Originally Posted by fishboat (Post 22308607)
I'd think the ignore function is a one-way trip..it's part of each member's user profile..which sounds fairly user-specific..like a username or password..etc... I see no reason why it would work in both directions..though in the slight chance that it did..I'd have no issue with it. Speaking for myself..there's no attempt to create a "snow-flakey" world. When I read a thread I often read successive responses without noting who actually authored the next response. If someone is on an ignore list the forum just inserts a notice that the next response "username is on your ignore list". The function it serves for me is increased efficiency in reading better content. Previous to using the ignore list I'd start reading the next response and at some point I'd think..'this guy is whacked..'..I'd look at the author only to find it's someone who is a zero in my world. The ignore function is a convenient way to not spend time suffering fools...more than once..certainly not more than twice. Life is too short..

Ok, this makes perfect sense.
Thank you. :beer:

dedhed 11-15-21 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 22308571)
...once I got some venture capital investment, my first action was to hire the best programming and analytics talent, to expand the algorithm. :)
We here at 3alarmco believe that customer service is the real basis of our business model, and would never provide anything except the most conscientious service.

The Ignoromatic is the waving thread of the future.

Mr. Markets? Just make sure it's not FIAT money, gold would be even better.

Phil_gretz 11-15-21 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by spelger (Post 22308587)
i don't think that is the reason why most use the ignore feature (which i don't know how to use). pretty sure it has more to do with insults and the like.

Look up at the blue bar across your screen. Click on "User CP (control panel)"

On the left side, beneath "Settings and Options", click on "Edit Ignore List"

Type the offending username into the line marked "Add Member to your list". Select, and then click "Okay"

Click "Save"

Voila!

denaffen 11-15-21 05:24 PM

Any community is only as good as the worst it tolerates. It’s the natural entropy of communities. If you don’t actively work to make them better the worst people push the best people away. So you can’t “just ignore it”, because by ignoring it you are tolerating it.

downhillmaster 11-15-21 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by denaffen (Post 22308685)
Any community is only as good as the worst it tolerates. It’s the natural entropy of communities. If you don’t actively work to make them better the worst people push the best people away. So you can’t “just ignore it”, because by ignoring it you are tolerating it.

Could you be a bit more judgemental and a bit more vague please?
Who exactly are the ‘worst’ people and what exactly have they done?

seypat 11-15-21 05:57 PM

I'm guessing they'll reveal themselves in due time.

denaffen 11-15-21 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22308717)
Could you be a bit more judgemental and a bit more vague please?
Who exactly are the ‘worst’ people and what exactly have they done?

I imagine you’d have better examples, than I would given that I’m new to this forum.

I’m not judging. I’m just sharing a truism of any community. Online or off.

If you recognized yourself in my comments above, that’s on you. I don’t know you. I don’t even know if we’ve ever interacted. So I assure you I didn’t have you in mind. If you thought I was referring to you being one of the worst people, I’m not sure what to tell you.

BCDrums 11-15-21 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by base2 (Post 22308505)
I have no understanding of how the "ignore" function works. I have never used it. I assume it works both ways. Is the offensive poster is blipped from forum existance from your perspective? Does that mean you are deleted from their existence as well?

As fishboat explained, Ignore is a one-way function. You are not auto-Ignored by the member you Ignore.

I ask because there are a number of posters I enjoyed reading that have disappeared. It could just be that posters I used to read & I have stopped crossing paths, but I have always had the nagging feeling the "ignore" function may be to blame.
One cannot know why you don't see the members you like, but consider that maybe some of them have chosen to leave because of a few problem children.


In either case, I can't imagine a more snow-flakey response than to curate the world to only include thoughts, feeling, or opinions that you agree with.
I get your point, but look at it this way: if BikeForums was a saloon, and you found some of the customers to be boors, you'd at least move away from them to another place at the bar. Or you might find another saloon.


With enough words, eventually everyone says something that is misunderstood or taken in the wrong light. The difference is whether they clarified the misunderstanding or learned something new.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Gravel Rider 11-15-21 06:24 PM

This thread doesn't make any sense.

Rolla 11-15-21 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22308717)
Could you be a bit more judgemental and a bit more vague please?
Who exactly are the ‘worst’ people and what exactly have they done?


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b38f98bce.jpg :D

gringomojado 11-15-21 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by tomato coupe (Post 22307174)
Leg shaving threads are the minor league compared to disc vs. rim brake threads. But, that will change once Big Bike forces everyone to shave their legs. 🙂

Can chain lube be used in place of shave cream"

gm

downhillmaster 11-15-21 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by denaffen (Post 22308780)
I imagine you’d have better examples, than I would given that I’m new to this forum.

I’m not judging. I’m just sharing a truism of any community. Online or off.

If you recognized yourself in my comments above, that’s on you. I don’t know you. I don’t even know if we’ve ever interacted. So I assure you I didn’t have you in mind. If you thought I was referring to you being one of the worst people, I’m not sure what to tell you.

You aren’t sharing a truism of any kind.
You are making vague generalizations with no examples.
I never once felt or suggested that you were referring to me btw.
Odd that you seem to feel that I care about your opinion of me though :rolleyes:

denaffen 11-15-21 07:40 PM

Uh huh. Ok. Sure.

unterhausen 11-15-21 08:29 PM

the problem with the ignore function is that it doesn't hide quotes of the person you're ignoring.

There have been some specific things mentioned in this thread that probably would be cleared up if you read the rules. Most notably, the rule against harassment. And if someone's tenure at bikeforums involves a lot of trolling and harassment and they haven't managed to get themselves banned, they get a lot less consideration from the mods. If you go to your profile and click on the "infractions" tab and at the bottom it says "page 1 of 5" then you can guess we are not going to help you out when you have caused trouble for yourself. It's funny because that applies to multiple people commenting in this thread.

OldTryGuy 11-15-21 08:29 PM

What we need is 1 religion. Then everyone would be in tune and on the same page with each other. How peaceful would that be??? kumbaya :hug:

:innocent::D:lol:

Siu Blue Wind 11-15-21 08:33 PM

I assure you, that EVERY SINGLE reported post gets looked at.

Some of you who have had messages from myself or my team are quite aware of that and can vouch that we do get on it.

The thing is, people don't want to report it....

shelbyfv 11-15-21 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind (Post 22308931)
The thing is, people don't want to report it....

It seems to depend on who's on duty and who's making the report, as unterhausen suggested above. I've given up reporting duplicate/multiple threads and threads in the wrong forum. Maybe others have as well. I'm not complaining, just took me awhile to figure it out.;)

3alarmer 11-15-21 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind (Post 22308931)
I assure you, that EVERY SINGLE reported post gets looked at.

Some of you who have had messages from myself or my team are quite aware of that and can vouch that we do get on it.

The thing is, people don't want to report it....


....I can vouch for this. I am a horrible person, and need to be reminded of this from time to time. :)

3alarmer 11-15-21 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind (Post 22308931)
I assure you, that EVERY SINGLE reported post gets looked at.

Some of you who have had messages from myself or my team are quite aware of that and can vouch that we do get on it.

The thing is, people don't want to report it....


Originally Posted by shelbyfv (Post 22309021)
It seems to depend on who's on duty and who's making the report, as unterhausen suggested above. I've given up reporting duplicate/multiple threads and threads in the wrong forum. Maybe others have as well. I'm not complaining, just took me awhile to figure it out.;)


...I feel like, if I report s post, it creates a disturbance in the Force. But I am one with the Force. You can see the conflict.

fishboat 11-16-21 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by denaffen (Post 22308685)
Any community is only as good as the worst it tolerates. It’s the natural entropy of communities. If you don’t actively work to make them better the worst people push the best people away. So you can’t “just ignore it”, because by ignoring it you are tolerating it.


Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22308717)
Could you be a bit more judgemental and a bit more vague please?
Who exactly are the ‘worst’ people and what exactly have they done?

Seems like an entirely rational statement to me. Sadly, the ignore function is all that's available to us regular folk, other than reporting posts that are clearly off the rails.

It would be interesting(only if it was never communicated to the general population) if BF developed a robot job in the software to eliminate losers based the total number of people that placed said loser on their ignore list. Sort of a blind sampling of the population to ID people that are thought to be generally offensive. This would require fairly broad use of the ignore function. Again, it would only work (well) if this function/robot was never communicated to the general membership.


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