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Old 11-29-22, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Hybrid?

I'm pretty sure there's a trace amount of some ferrous metals in there somewhere...

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Originally Posted by Iride01
And that the manufacturer doesn't even call them hybrids. It just a term that we as cyclists can't seem to let go of.



edit.....

Well heck, seems I'm wrong, Trek still lumps them by a Hybrid category.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...-bikes/c/B528/

I guess just like 700C tires the term will be with us forever. The manufacturers probably wont fully let go of it as long as we continue to use it. And we won't let go of it if the manufacturers keep using it.... a viscous circle!
Fitness bike has always been a subcategory of hybrid, and I think they generally make pretty great road bikes with some light gravel capabilities.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Yeah, the "comfort," "fitness," and "hybrid" categories seem to have a lot of overlap.

Historically, I believe comfort and fitness were originally subcategories of hybrid.

For a few years, pretty much any flat bar that wasn't a mountain bike was being marketed as a hybrid. The term became a victim of its own success.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Hybrid?

Nah. Thatís a hybrid.
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Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
Nah. Thatís a hybrid.
No. This is a Frankenbike.
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Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
Nah. Thatís a hybrid.
Originally Posted by Lombard
No. This is a Frankenbike.

Yeah, no way anything with those handlebars would be considered a hybrid as the term is commonly used.
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Hybrid is an utterly meaningless term. It can encompass nearly any bike with flat bars that is not an actual mtb, beach cruiser, or bmx bike. It can be a cf flat bar road bike with 23mm tires, or an upright comfort bike. Or an mtb with slicks. Or a flat bar gravel bike.
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Originally Posted by sjanzeir
I'm pretty sure there's a trace amount of some ferrous metals in there somewhere...
The chain, and a few bolts, but probably not much more than that.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Rode across the country in '99 with a guy riding a Cannondale hybrid. He rode in sneakers. Real mountain goat. Being a runner from Leadville, CO, will do that to you.


There's always an exception. The bike made sense for him, his preferences, and the task at hand.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
There's always an exception. The bike made sense for him, his preferences, and the task at hand.

Fitness bikes are actually pretty great for climbing on a road, at least as good if not better than a road bike. I've done plenty of climbing on both kinds to make the comparison.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Fitness bikes are actually pretty great for climbing on a road, at least as good if not better than a road bike. I've done plenty of climbing on both kinds to make the comparison.
Maybe your rides are different, but my road rides never go only uphill
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe your rides are different, but my road rides never go only uphill
What kind of hill can you descend on a road bike that you can't on a hybrid? 😳
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe your rides are different, but my road rides never go only uphill

If that's supposed to be some kind of witty retort, big misfire.

Every bike compromises something. It's really not refutation to "x is good at y" to say "not everything is y".

No one's trying to convince you to switch to hybrids, but the "they're not good at anything" rhetoric was getting a little thick in here.
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Originally Posted by sjanzeir
What kind of hill can you descend on a road bike that you can't on a hybrid? 😳
This isn't an "only" thing. Livedarklions says his fitness bike climbs as good or better than a road bike. That's great. When aerodynamics come into play (downhill, fast rolling on the flats, etc.), the road bike is going to have an advantage. If a fitness/hybrid bike is best for the kind of riding you like to do, then use that bike. Personally, I have a few different types of bikes to suit my riding choice of the day. One of those is the hipster hybrid - a gravel bike. It's not a great road bike. It's not a great MTB. It's a compromise almost everywhere, and a hell of a lot of fun.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
If that's supposed to be some kind of witty retort, big misfire.

Every bike compromises something. It's really not refutation to "x is good at y" to say "not everything is y".

No one's trying to convince you to switch to hybrids, but the "they're not good at anything" rhetoric was getting a little thick in here.
I was trying to make a bit of a joke. This is getting far too serious.

My previous comment about early hybrids being mediocre (low to mid priced) bikes for mediocre (casual) riders was a generalization based on what I've seen over many years with the riders that tend to buy that type of bike, as well as how the bikes are marketed. There will always be exceptions to generalizations. Indyfabz' riding partner is a good example of an exception. I suspect you are, too. I don't know much about how you ride, but since you are a regular and long-term member of this site, it's pretty likely you aren't the average casual recreational rider.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I was trying to make a bit of a joke. This is getting far too serious.

My previous comment about early hybrids being mediocre (low to mid priced) bikes for mediocre (casual) riders was a generalization based on what I've seen over many years with the riders that tend to buy that type of bike, as well as how the bikes are marketed. There will always be exceptions to generalizations. Indyfabz' riding partner is a good example of an exception. I suspect you are, too. I don't know much about how you ride, but since you are a regular and long-term member of this site, it's pretty likely you aren't the average casual recreational rider.

Sorry, but that kind of "joke" actually raises the "seriousness" rather than diffuses it--I wasn't disagreeing with him being an exceptional rider, everything indy said about him indicated he was an excellent climber. I was merely pointing out the (to me) obvious reason he was using the bike he was.

TBH, I am not fond of generalizations that label a bunch of people as mediocre. Basically, that's already fighting words.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
This isn't an "only" thing. Livedarklions says his fitness bike climbs as good or better than a road bike. That's great. When aerodynamics come into play (downhill, fast rolling on the flats, etc.), the road bike is going to have an advantage. If a fitness/hybrid bike is best for the kind of riding you like to do, then use that bike. Personally, I have a few different types of bikes to suit my riding choice of the day. One of those is the hipster hybrid - a gravel bike. It's not a great road bike. It's not a great MTB. It's a compromise almost everywhere, and a hell of a lot of fun.



The fitness bikes generally have more of a lean forward position than do other hybrids. It's really not that different aerodynamically from riding the hoods.

Honestly, I think the problem with these threads is that a lot of people generalize a lot from a very little bit of knowledge about this type of bike.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
Hybrid is an utterly meaningless term. It can encompass nearly any bike with flat bars that is not an actual mtb, beach cruiser, or bmx bike. It can be a cf flat bar road bike with 23mm tires, or an upright comfort bike. Or an mtb with slicks. Or a flat bar gravel bike.
Webster's Dictionary definition:

Hybrid
  • : something that is formed by combining two or more things.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
Webster's Dictionary definition:

Hybrid
  • : something that is formed by combining two or more things.
And the point is.......?
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
And the point is.......?
My point is the term hybrid can be used to describe any bike that is a cross or combination of other types of bikes.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
The fitness bikes generally have more of a lean forward position than do other hybrids. It's really not that different aerodynamically from riding the hoods.

Honestly, I think the problem with these threads is that a lot of people generalize a lot from a very little bit of knowledge about this type of bike.
Included the words "early hybrids" in my initial generalization intentionally. The evolution of the hybrid niche has spawned bikes like the fitness bikes you describe, intended for someone who probably takes riding more seriously than my sister, my boss, and a bunch of other casual/occasional ("mediocre") riders I know who bought mid-low priced ("mediocre") hybrids in the '90s and '00s. The bikes were comfortable to ride, reasonably efficient, and attractive to a wide range of folks.
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Maybe your rides are different, but my road rides never go only uphill
That means you are not a serious cyclist.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
That means you are not a serious cyclist.
This is probably true. When I ride with other people, I tend to make jokes.
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Originally Posted by Leinster
The real death of the hybrid bike was the hybrid car. Suddenly the name meant something else entirely to more people. The very bike style that beginners and commuters would use, had a name that made as much sense as clipping into clipless pedals.
Same could apply to pedal assist e-bikes where they will not move unless the user is pedaling (hybrid) compared to fully electric, no pedaling required bikes (uh, motorcycles, no, already used…uh, cheater bikes!)

I think of gravel bikes as the modern interpretation of a hybrid bike.
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