Parts no one misses on New Bikes...
08-08-23, 05:26 AM
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Funny ... personally, I really like twist shifters. They could be a bit of an issue in the wet but otherwise I like being able to go directly to the gear I want.
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08-08-23, 05:55 AM
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i'll start the list with... Cottered Cranksets and their tapered cotter Bolts.
i have spent countless hours trying to remove the bolts... only to find that the crank arm is far more stuck in place than the bolt ever was....
if someone brings an old raleigh three speed by with a bad bottom bracket,, i tell them, up front, that it's not worth fixing, and that the Crank is stuck to the spindle, so it may need to be CUT with a grinder to be removed.... some insist and persist, due to sentimental wants, then gripe about the repair bill.
i have spent countless hours trying to remove the bolts... only to find that the crank arm is far more stuck in place than the bolt ever was....
if someone brings an old raleigh three speed by with a bad bottom bracket,, i tell them, up front, that it's not worth fixing, and that the Crank is stuck to the spindle, so it may need to be CUT with a grinder to be removed.... some insist and persist, due to sentimental wants, then gripe about the repair bill.
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08-08-23, 06:20 AM
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Inner tubes.
08-08-23, 07:09 AM
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08-08-23, 07:45 AM
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Things I don’t miss:
Tubeless tires
Disc brakes
Dropper posts
11, 12, 13 cogs
Suntour Accushift
Spline Drive nipples
Tubeless tires
Disc brakes
Dropper posts
11, 12, 13 cogs
Suntour Accushift
Spline Drive nipples
08-08-23, 07:59 AM
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But that’s just my guess. Maybe people are concerned their wheels will pop loose because of unsymmetrical forces caused by disc brakes. Thru axles also seem to render that moot.
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08-08-23, 08:22 AM
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i'll start the list with... Cottered Cranksets and their tapered cotter Bolts.
i have spent countless hours trying to remove the bolts... only to find that the crank arm is far more stuck in place than the bolt ever was....
if someone brings an old raleigh three speed by with a bad bottom bracket,, i tell them, up front, that it's not worth fixing, and that the Crank is stuck to the spindle, so it may need to be CUT with a grinder to be removed.... some insist and persist, due to sentimental wants, then gripe about the repair bill.
i have spent countless hours trying to remove the bolts... only to find that the crank arm is far more stuck in place than the bolt ever was....
if someone brings an old raleigh three speed by with a bad bottom bracket,, i tell them, up front, that it's not worth fixing, and that the Crank is stuck to the spindle, so it may need to be CUT with a grinder to be removed.... some insist and persist, due to sentimental wants, then gripe about the repair bill.
08-08-23, 08:29 AM
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For me they are simply a superseded component that I don’t ever miss. Given a choice I would always choose thru axles, preferably with levers for tool free wheel removal.
08-08-23, 09:13 AM
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'Improved' technology doesn't necessarily make prior tech any less useful.
a nice steel bike is still a very nice bicycle/conveyance.
That said, I don't miss Tubulars/sewups - they are still the best ridding of all types. But what a headache for 'maintenance', durability and if willing-repair.
Anyone who's ever ridden tubulars will know where I'm comin from.
Never have had a problem with QR, in 58 yrs of riding 'better' bikes, and find them very convenient. All my 'road' bikes still have QR. One gravel has TA, and my newer mtb has TA.
having to carry a 6mm wrench is an added pain.
I don't miss leather saddles - but I'm sure there are many who would disagree.
I don't miss wool shorts
I don't miss nailed on cleats, toeclips & straps or 'hairnets'.
I don't miss only one wrap of cello or cotton handlebar tape.
I'm still OK with non-index friction DT shifting on my older bikes - but prefer bar-cons...
I don't miss non-hardened plain Alu rims
I DO MISS the cool-max fabric from the Mid 90's - best fabric material ever for versatile jerseys...
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a nice steel bike is still a very nice bicycle/conveyance.
That said, I don't miss Tubulars/sewups - they are still the best ridding of all types. But what a headache for 'maintenance', durability and if willing-repair.
Anyone who's ever ridden tubulars will know where I'm comin from.
Never have had a problem with QR, in 58 yrs of riding 'better' bikes, and find them very convenient. All my 'road' bikes still have QR. One gravel has TA, and my newer mtb has TA.
having to carry a 6mm wrench is an added pain.
I don't miss leather saddles - but I'm sure there are many who would disagree.
I don't miss wool shorts
I don't miss nailed on cleats, toeclips & straps or 'hairnets'.
I don't miss only one wrap of cello or cotton handlebar tape.
I'm still OK with non-index friction DT shifting on my older bikes - but prefer bar-cons...
I don't miss non-hardened plain Alu rims
I DO MISS the cool-max fabric from the Mid 90's - best fabric material ever for versatile jerseys...
Ride On
Yuri
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08-08-23, 09:28 AM
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I don't miss handlebars and stems coming with a whole bunch of different clamp diameters only 0.2mm apart.
But I would say downtube shifters (previously mentioned) take the cake. Don't ever want to use those again.
But I would say downtube shifters (previously mentioned) take the cake. Don't ever want to use those again.
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Wasn't there a song called 'How can I miss you when you won't go away?'
08-08-23, 10:34 AM
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But to echo another poster- twist grips excel for the same reason DT shifters excel- you can change up or down a whole bunch of gears all at once. Try that in a small ratchet thumb shifter.
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08-08-23, 10:35 AM
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08-08-23, 11:14 AM
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08-08-23, 12:57 PM
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I don't think there is a new bike on the market that doesn't come with tubes. So many things people have listed here are all still commonly found on new bikes.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
08-08-23, 01:44 PM
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How come no one has mentioned wire bead tires!?
08-08-23, 04:05 PM
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All Bikes
-Threaded headsets and quill stems
-Freewheels (vs cassettes)
-Rat Trap style flat pedals (new flat pedals are so much better)
Road bikes:
-Non-integrated shifters (downtube, stem mount, bar end).
MTB:
-Narrow bars
-Long Stems
-Bar ends
-Rigid posts
-Canti brakes
-Triple cranksets
-2.1” tires.
-Threaded headsets and quill stems
-Freewheels (vs cassettes)
-Rat Trap style flat pedals (new flat pedals are so much better)
Road bikes:
-Non-integrated shifters (downtube, stem mount, bar end).
MTB:
-Narrow bars
-Long Stems
-Bar ends
-Rigid posts
-Canti brakes
-Triple cranksets
-2.1” tires.
08-08-23, 04:30 PM
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I don't think there is a new bike on the market that doesn't come with tubes. So many things people have listed here are all still commonly found on new bikes.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
Bit If we are talking about mid level and higher MTB, Road, and Gravel, then quill stems, square taper, freewheels, and 8 speed are rare on new bikes. Extinct on MTBs. You mostly find them from places like Rivendell, VO, and Rene Herse… companies with a vintage vibe.
Tubes are basically dead for mid to upper end MTB, with not many holdouts. The last two mtbs we bought came setup tubeless. No tubes included. But even when they come set up with tubes, they are nearly always tubeless compatible, and you just need to set them up. In fact most shops will do this for you before you even pick the bike up.
QR is exceedingly rare on mid-level MTB, and getting uncommon for mid level gravel and road.
Cables are certainly common as dirt. I think those going away is more aspirational on some peoples’ part.
08-08-23, 04:41 PM
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Single piece crankset.
Any non cassette BB
Rim brakes of any kind
Any chainring shifter of any kind
Quill Stems
Riser bars
95% of all rear suspension designs
I beam saddles and seat posts
Any press fit BB
Grip Shifters
Dropper posts
QR's
Tubeless
Hydraulic brakes
and CF anything
Any non cassette BB
Rim brakes of any kind
Any chainring shifter of any kind
Quill Stems
Riser bars
95% of all rear suspension designs
I beam saddles and seat posts
Any press fit BB
Grip Shifters
Dropper posts
QR's
Tubeless
Hydraulic brakes
and CF anything
08-08-23, 07:53 PM
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I don't think there is a new bike on the market that doesn't come with tubes. So many things people have listed here are all still commonly found on new bikes.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
Cottered cranks and Shimano's FFS do not exist anymore on new bikes but tubes, cables and housing, QR skewers, freewheels, 8 speed cassettes, square taper cranks, quill stems...all still are quite common. I feel this thread was about parts that don't exist on new bikes anymore not parts we just don't like.
Obviously if you still run tubes in your tyres then you can’t say that you don’t miss them. But as I’ve been running tubeless on all my bikes since 2004 I can say that I don’t miss tubes if that’s okay with you?
Btw, Giant sell some of their bikes without tubes. My 2019 Defy was supplied from the factory fully tubeless. Dealers just add the sealant at point of sale.
My newest road bike also has eTap wireless shifting and I can say that I definitely don’t miss having gear cables on that bike, even though my other bikes still have them.
08-08-23, 10:38 PM
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There is a sort of bike I think of as an Asian-standard bike. If you look at a smaller brand copy of a bike like a Trek FX or Marlin, you find a lot of the same frame features across bike genres. Today they most likely have post mount disc brakes and an English bottom bracket, vertical dropouts for a 135 hub, and a Campagnolo style derailleur hanger. By now they probably have a tapered head tube... cheaper ones have a straight head tube, or a 44mm if they are hedging. It will have fender eyes and at least one bottle mount, and it might have more. Shimano alone can sell you an enormous variety of components that will mount up to that basic frame.
There are a lot of things about bikes that can be changed really quickly - anything that allows different size frames also basically allows different size wheels and frame geometry, for example. Wheel diameter is just a setting on the bender. Probably the most difficult thing is getting tire molds cut and tires made, because that requires big expensive factory work. Rim extrusions are probably pretty expensive to get going and special butted tubing and spokes are not things you can just buy from a sheet metal company, and that's why they have limited suppliers. But everything else to build a bike is basic machine shop and welding.
That's why there's a few component brands, a few dozen tire and wheel and tubing brands, and hundreds of bike brands.
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