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Old 09-09-23, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lupo68288
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I'm currently thinking to wax my new bike (arroves in one month). Currently I only use Lube on all of my bikes, but I have heard, that waxing is better than lubing, because of the consumption of chains. It waxing really good or is it just a new trend and don't have any advantages? What are your experiences with waxing your chain and would you recommend it? And what chain wax do you use?
It is somewhat trendy. Chains do not last longer than a good lube but the chain, rings and cassette stays very clean and you're not covered with filth from chain lube if you have to touch the chain or rings.
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The whole deal with Flat Earth is that it is a Lie.

I tried being a Flat Earther and the Earth didn't get flat. I still had to ride hills. So screw that.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
The whole deal with Flat Earth is that it is a Lie.

I tried being a Flat Earther and the Earth didn't get flat. I still had to ride hills. So screw that.
But when you're done, are you back where you started? What's your total net elevation change?
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Originally Posted by RiceAWay
It is somewhat trendy. Chains do not last longer than a good lube but the chain, rings and cassette stays very clean and you're not covered with filth from chain lube if you have to touch the chain or rings.
Tests have shown that chains do actually last longer with wax, mainly because they stay cleaner as you have observed. At least in dry conditions. Wax tends not to perform so well in the wet.
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Another chain waxing thread. How adorable.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Waxing solves all of that. It's super clean. I don't really care about longevity or a few phantom watts of horsepower or whatever other silly claims people want to make. I'm just happy to not have to scrub grime off of every metal part on my bike anymore.
If you don't care about that, why lube your chain at all? Just run it dry!
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Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
But when you're done, are you back where you started? What's your total net elevation change?
Doesn't matter. If the Earth is flat, it should be Flat ..... no elevations change.
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Originally Posted by RiceAWay
It is somewhat trendy. Chains do not last longer than a good lube but the chain, rings and cassette stays very clean and you're not covered with filth from chain lube if you have to touch the chain or rings.
In my experience, they actually do last quite a bit longer, under the conditions I ride at least. Anything other than wax under these conditions, the "filth" you mention becomes a grinding paste, and I was constantly replacing chain rings, cassettes and chains until I switched over to wax.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
Another chain waxing thread. How adorable.
Pretend it is another e-bike thread.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
Another chain waxing thread. How adorable.
Just wait until we get a leg waxing thread.
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Time is money (I could be working and making money). Waxing is time consuming. My time is worth much more money than even the most expensive top level groupset. The cost of worn part replacement is simply not a concern compared to wasted time. For a $10k+ bike with a top end drivetrain, I get it. It's psychological, even if it makes no sense from a time/money calculation perspective. Any cheaper bike and it's a hard no.

I suppose I could pay someone else to wax my chain and come out ahead. They'd have to come to my house though because if I had to take my bike to a shop and pick it up later, there's that time wasted again.

In conclusion: no.

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Originally Posted by Lombard
Another chain waxing thread. How adorable.
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
Pretend it is another e-bike thread.
Originally Posted by wolfchild
Just wait until we get a leg waxing thread.
Electrolysis.

E-bikes and waxing had a child ....
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Originally Posted by Yan
Time is money (I could be working and making money). Waxing is time consuming. My time is worth much more money than even the most expensive top level groupset. The cost of worn part replacement is simply not a concern compared to wasted time. For a $10k+ bike with a top end drivetrain, I get it. It's psychological, even if it makes no sense from a time/money calculation perspective. Any cheaper bike and it's a hard no.

I suppose I could pay someone else to wax my chain and come out ahead. They'd have to come to my house though because if I had to take my bike to a shop and pick it up later, there that time wasted again.

In conclusion: no.
Not to mention that there appears to be no longevity advantage to hot waxing over using a good oil based lube. The only advantage to hot waxing appears to be keeping the drivetrain cleaner. It is certainly not worth the extra time and resources. And don't even go into the "grinding paste" theory. I get 8-10K miles out of my chains using oil based lubes every 500 miles. I have yet to see any hot waxers claim longer chain life.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
I have yet to see any hot waxers claim longer chain life.
Guess you didn't read post 79.

Originally Posted by PeteHski
Tests have shown that chains do actually last longer with wax, mainly because they stay cleaner as you have observed.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
I have yet to see any hot waxers claim longer chain life.
Mine have at least tripled. More importantly, it has reduced wear on my cassettes and chainrings.

I recognize I ride under more extreme conditions than average, but it has made a huge difference. If it made no difference, I wouldn't bother.
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Originally Posted by Yan
Time is money (I could be working and making money). Waxing is time consuming. My time is worth much more money than even the most expensive top level groupset. The cost of worn part replacement is simply not a concern compared to wasted time. For a $10k+ bike with a top end drivetrain, I get it. It's psychological, even if it makes no sense from a time/money calculation perspective. Any cheaper bike and it's a hard no.

I suppose I could pay someone else to wax my chain and come out ahead. They'd have to come to my house though because if I had to take my bike to a shop and pick it up later, there's that time wasted again.

In conclusion: no.
I really don't understand this take. I spend about the same amount of time with hot wax as I did with wiping/re-applying wet-lube.
The process basically is however long it takes to disconnect and remove a chain, and then put it back on. With quick links, this takes about 30 seconds. The rest of the process involves a chain sitting in a pot while it heats up and/or hanging on a hook drying.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Tests have shown that chains do actually last longer with wax, mainly because they stay cleaner as you have observed.
I'm not so sure about that conclusion. Yes, waxed chains stay cleaner, but that may not fully explain why chains last longer.

The Zero Friction lubricant tests with no contamination still showed wax lubes greatly reduced wear over non-wax lubes.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I'm not so sure about that conclusion. Yes, waxed chains stay cleaner, but that may not fully explain why chains last longer.

The Zero Friction lubricant tests with no contamination still showed wax lubes greatly reduced wear over non-wax lubes.
Well I did say "mainly", maybe I should have said "partly". One thing that is clear from those tests is that a dirty drivetrain greatly accelerates wear.
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Actual scientific testing---serious testing, not the anecdotal BS most internet users seem to think is "science"---indicates clearly that waxed chains last longer than unwaxed chains--and save a tiny bit of power as well.

The question is whether the trade-off for the very slightly more involved process is justified by the better performance and extend drive train length. That is entirely a personal matter, not subject to science---it is a matter of opinion. It is a matter of personal preference. Even speaking as a chain-waxer, I would say the benefits are so minimal that wet-lube, drip-wax, and cooked wax are all valid choices.

However, the facts have been amply demonstrated---the cleanest way to lubricate one's bike chain is wax and the longest-lasting chain 9and thus also drive train parts, by some not-yet-determined degree) and also the least power-robbing chain is one which has been properly waxed.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
I really don't understand this take. I spend about the same amount of time with hot wax as I did with wiping/re-applying wet-lube.
The process basically is however long it takes to disconnect and remove a chain, and then put it back on. With quick links, this takes about 30 seconds. The rest of the process involves a chain sitting in a pot while it heats up and/or hanging on a hook drying.
It is obvious he has just assumed waxing would require more work. I just use drip wax because I'm lazy. I don't earn any extra money with the time saved either. That time soon gets taken up by our kids and pets!

I also know a shop who offers a chain waxing service on rotation. They sell you 3 new, freshly waxed chains and you post them back after each use.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Guess you didn't read post 79.
I did. "Tests show blah, blah, blah". No, I have yet to hear from anybody here that they can get north of 10K miles using hot wax. I get anywhere between 8-10K miles out of my chains using oil based lubes. Furthermore, can you go 500 miles between hot waxings and get that kind of mileage?
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
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The Zero Friction lubricant tests with no contamination still showed wax lubes greatly reduced wear over non-wax lubes.
i have to dispute this as well. Back when I used wax lubes, I was lucky to get 2-3K miles out of my chains. Now thst I use oil based lubes, I get 8-10K miles.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Yes, waxed chains stay cleaner, but that may not fully explain why chains last longer.
Just a guess...Wax holds on to less grindy particles that contribute to wear of the chainy parts.

My observations of my own own bikes using wax-based drip lube, compared with my previous use of oil-based lubes, support this conclusion. I'm not a scientist, and I do not have a laboratory.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Well I did say "mainly", maybe I should have said "partly". One thing that is clear from those tests is that a dirty drivetrain greatly accelerates wear.
I think this is the key, overlooked point.

With completely pristine, on-road conditions, the difference is probably negligible.

Under the conditions I ride (dry moon-dust, sand, grit), a non-wax lubricant quickly becomes a highly destructive grinding paste. There may be some formulations that minimize this, such as the ones that are designed to leave a dried teflon coating, but for those that I have tried, they still get dirty, and are much more of a PITA to work with (not to mention more toxic).
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I'm not a scientist, and I do not have a laboratory.
I am, and I do, but it would be hard to think of a less interesting experiment, except maybe testing different brands of tooth-paste.
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