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Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive, and thus attracts generally wealthier-than-average individuals. This tends to map with higher education levels.
I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.
I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.
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Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive, and thus attracts generally wealthier-than-average individuals. This tends to map with higher education levels.
I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.
I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.

Qualified him for a U.S. Senate seat.
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Hello,
I've been thinking about getting a bike and found Bike Forums a few weeks ago. I'm glad I did! It's very informative.
Oddly enough, I was as impressed by the language used here as much as the information.
Are ya'll English? Dang if I don't think I'm inna fancy skool room sumwheres.
I've been thinking about getting a bike and found Bike Forums a few weeks ago. I'm glad I did! It's very informative.
Oddly enough, I was as impressed by the language used here as much as the information.
Are ya'll English? Dang if I don't think I'm inna fancy skool room sumwheres.
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If a person uses the same bikes, clothing and gear for commuting as they use for recreational riding then the cost is the same for both. Not all people who ride for transportation use cheap bikes. cheap clothing and cheap gear.
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Of course you can use cheap gear for recreational riding, or very expensive gear for commuting. As a general rule, though, if you just need to get around town the entry barrier for biking is lower than for a car, but if you're going to take it seriously as a hobby the cost, both in equipment and time, will go up very quickly relative to birdwatching, stamp collecting, or any number of other hobbies. It's also worth remembering that it takes, all things considered, a solidly above average income to even afford a hobby in the first place. Recreational sport, especially equipment-dependent endurance sports like cycling, is just not something that poor people can afford.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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Yes, some of us here might even despair at the death of the adverb in modern language. Not to mention the ice-pick-in-the-ear of 'eksetera,' or even 'impactful.' Good lord......
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#38
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Thou is singular subject
Ye is plural subject
You is plural object
Y'all is redundant. It's trying to bring back functionality to the English language that has been lost.
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The linguistics used in cycling are eurocentric. The introduction to cycling for most of us came by way of a "10 speed" european race bike. Made in England, France or Italy, these were the major bicycle manufacturing countries before the shift to asia. Terminology therefore originated from these countries. And since England and the U.S. share a common language the words we use discussing cycling are often derived from UK english. Seat/saddle, tires/tyres, sew-ups/ tubulars, racing wheels/sprints, jersey/jumper.
Terms from france ..Criterium, derailleur, echelon, peloton, souplesse, groupon garanti.
I used Super Champion Arc en ciel rims in my racing days. It was years later that I found out it meant... arch in sky...rainbow. As in world champion colors. And a sticker on the rim was a rainbow and I never realised the tanslation...duh
One of the odd ones that I find interesting is the french rapiere/rapier chainstay taper. Somewhere in translation it became rapid taper chainstays.
And as far as Itslian all you need to know is Campagnolo.
Terms from france ..Criterium, derailleur, echelon, peloton, souplesse, groupon garanti.
I used Super Champion Arc en ciel rims in my racing days. It was years later that I found out it meant... arch in sky...rainbow. As in world champion colors. And a sticker on the rim was a rainbow and I never realised the tanslation...duh
One of the odd ones that I find interesting is the french rapiere/rapier chainstay taper. Somewhere in translation it became rapid taper chainstays.
And as far as Itslian all you need to know is Campagnolo.
Last edited by big chainring; 11-19-23 at 07:55 AM.
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I'm just as guilty of that as anyone else.
You could make the same argument about "youz guys" or many other colloquial terms. It's just a regional speech pattern. Like it or not, grammatically correct or not, it's been part of the vocabulary for a couple centuries and likely will continue for a couple more centuries.
You could make the same argument about "youz guys" or many other colloquial terms. It's just a regional speech pattern. Like it or not, grammatically correct or not, it's been part of the vocabulary for a couple centuries and likely will continue for a couple more centuries.
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I think it is important hear too right good. Cause if your in a argument bout chain lube ewe will bee called out for pour spelling an grammar.
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OP started two threads in different subforums and then went silent.
Kinda makes ya wonder, don't it?
Kinda makes ya wonder, don't it?
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Ctrl+Shift+~ results in nothing on my PC. I appreciate the effort. No worries.
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I agree that it works in a Word doc, however, when entering a reply on this forum, I get nothing. It's really not a big deal. I was able to edit my previous post by using my phone.
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Don't forget the guy who lived in a gardening shed, in the woods by the railroad track. He brought down the average wealth statistics a little.



