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Yes. I’ve haven’t been able to find one, however.
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Get caught on a trail taking a whole lot longer than you think you will sometime. Personal experience resulted in me carrying it with me all the time. I don’t need it in town but I’d rather try to remember it so it just stays in there.
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I've seen your pics of places you go riding. I would never venture in there without carrying some basic survival kit which included a fire starter, a knife, a water filter and few other items which might become useful if emergency ever occurred.
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we also carry some first aid items - including bandages and advil and tylenol
(unfortunately) we did use the advil and bandages this past summer when we assisted an injured rider that crashed
we are often a fair distance from ‘civilization’ - no nearby roads and or houses - and sometimes no cell phone service
we will often mix in some exploring / hiking - so it’s not uncommon to return just before dark - so we always carry a small light and matches
(unfortunately) we did use the advil and bandages this past summer when we assisted an injured rider that crashed
we are often a fair distance from ‘civilization’ - no nearby roads and or houses - and sometimes no cell phone service
we will often mix in some exploring / hiking - so it’s not uncommon to return just before dark - so we always carry a small light and matches
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My basic kits for typical local rides. These get stuffed into my center jersey pocket.
Road…
Includes a $1 bill for tire-booting. That specific one has already proven itself in that capacity, and has stayed in my kit.
Gravel…
For races/events, I add a second tube and a third CO2 cartridge, and will most often use a small saddle bag for this stuff. I also carry a hydro pack that has a mini pump inside.
MTB…
For longer rides where I use a hydro pack, the bag clips to the outside of the pack.
I need to add tire booting material for my gravel and MTB kits.
Road…
Includes a $1 bill for tire-booting. That specific one has already proven itself in that capacity, and has stayed in my kit.
Gravel…
For races/events, I add a second tube and a third CO2 cartridge, and will most often use a small saddle bag for this stuff. I also carry a hydro pack that has a mini pump inside.
MTB…
For longer rides where I use a hydro pack, the bag clips to the outside of the pack.
I need to add tire booting material for my gravel and MTB kits.
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To all the people who think a person cannot undnerstand why a fire-starter might be useful .... really?> I mean, if you think everyone else is that dim .... maybe it's you?
Pretty obvious why a lighter at least, might be a good idea .... and even more so, by a large margin, would be some first-aid stuff. A tube of superglue for sealing major wounds, alcohol swabs in a foil pack, tape (even duct tape) to wrap wounds ..... and for longer truiops, analgesics and anti-inflamatories for stiffness, soreness, a minor injury, some sort of anti-allergy chemicals, .... basic first-aid stuff ... just makes sense.
But, yeah ... and explanation of why to bring a fire-starter? Really?
Y'all need to lighten up and learn to laugh, folks.
Pretty obvious why a lighter at least, might be a good idea .... and even more so, by a large margin, would be some first-aid stuff. A tube of superglue for sealing major wounds, alcohol swabs in a foil pack, tape (even duct tape) to wrap wounds ..... and for longer truiops, analgesics and anti-inflamatories for stiffness, soreness, a minor injury, some sort of anti-allergy chemicals, .... basic first-aid stuff ... just makes sense.
But, yeah ... and explanation of why to bring a fire-starter? Really?
Y'all need to lighten up and learn to laugh, folks.
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To all the people who think a person cannot undnerstand why a fire-starter might be useful .... really?> I mean, if you think everyone else is that dim .... maybe it's you?
Pretty obvious why a lighter at least, might be a good idea .... and even more so, by a large margin, would be some first-aid stuff. A tube of superglue for sealing major wounds, alcohol swabs in a foil pack, tape (even duct tape) to wrap wounds ..... and for longer truiops, analgesics and anti-inflamatories for stiffness, soreness, a minor injury, some sort of anti-allergy chemicals, .... basic first-aid stuff ... just makes sense.
But, yeah ... and explanation of why to bring a fire-starter? Really?
I've carried a knife and way to start a fire since I was 5-7 years old I was taught to build a fire by theb
Y'all need to lighten up and learn to laugh, folks.
Pretty obvious why a lighter at least, might be a good idea .... and even more so, by a large margin, would be some first-aid stuff. A tube of superglue for sealing major wounds, alcohol swabs in a foil pack, tape (even duct tape) to wrap wounds ..... and for longer truiops, analgesics and anti-inflamatories for stiffness, soreness, a minor injury, some sort of anti-allergy chemicals, .... basic first-aid stuff ... just makes sense.
But, yeah ... and explanation of why to bring a fire-starter? Really?
I've carried a knife and way to start a fire since I was 5-7 years old I was taught to build a fire by theb
Y'all need to lighten up and learn to laugh, folks.
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It’s from Fix-It-Sticks. Mine is a relatively old kit and Fix-It-Sticks no longer uses it.
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Mr. Cyccommute does indeed ride--and tour in-- some gnarly terrain. I would expect him to be amply prepared (the string spoke ... haven't heard about them in a while. Good one.)
On a related hand to maybe a tentacle .... I am often amazed that people cannot change the tires on their cars and do not carry jumper cables.
On a related hand to maybe a tentacle .... I am often amazed that people cannot change the tires on their cars and do not carry jumper cables.
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Will rethink the whole scheme, next car.
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There are cyclists out there and right here who don't carry a spare tube and pump and don't even know how deal with a flat tire when out on the road. Absolutely shocking.
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Except I could change a clincher on the road, not so much tubular which is what I ride.
But I'm cycling in London so Orange Seal fixes flats.
Happened last week - pulled the glass shard out and spun the wheel, sealed instantly (and I do wear a frame pump).
If anything really bad happens I just walk / get on a Tube / hail a black cab.
But I am just collating what tools I would need in a multi tool, so far it looks like 3 allen keys and a small adjustable wrench + Leatherman micra (on key ring).
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I mostly ride a folding bike with IGH. I went through the bike from front to back, top to bottom, including the aftermarket lighting and luggage mounts, noting the various fasteners and adjustments and tool clearance for same.
None of my several multitools did the job. I surveyed the market of multitools I didn't own. I eventually went the ratchet+custom bit selections & some additional discreet tools route.
In addition to the usual stuff, my bike requires an exact length of chain, so I carry a short length of chain as well.
Don't I remember in the early 1980s Shimano introduced a parts group that used a 6mm hex key for everything?
None of my several multitools did the job. I surveyed the market of multitools I didn't own. I eventually went the ratchet+custom bit selections & some additional discreet tools route.
In addition to the usual stuff, my bike requires an exact length of chain, so I carry a short length of chain as well.
Don't I remember in the early 1980s Shimano introduced a parts group that used a 6mm hex key for everything?
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I carry links in a separate package ... I know myself, and I know I would pull out the tool, drop the links, and be stuck on the roadside in knee-deep grass looking for them for an hour ... probably at night and in the rain. (A selection from the "Been there, done that" line of uncomfortable cycling experiences. )
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Ya got some great suggestions. But when I was thinking about this I considered what tool I use the most. Which one do a go for when in the garage, driveway, or on the road. Oddly I always go for this one first and then if needed other more specific tools. Ha...
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Ya got some great suggestions. But when I was thinking about this I considered what tool I use the most. Which one do a go for when in the garage, driveway, or on the road. Oddly I always go for this one first and then if needed other more specific tools. Ha...
Park MT-1
Do note that I ride older 70's-80's bicycles. There may be a better tool for modern day bicycles for sure...
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3,4,5,6,8 hex
8,9,10 spanner
straight screwdriver
110mm x 35mm x 8mm
About £14 in the UK
Would almost work for me - older bikes too.3,4,5,6,8 hex
8,9,10 spanner
straight screwdriver
110mm x 35mm x 8mm
About £14 in the UK
Could do with a phillips #2 (SunTour Cyclone limit screws)
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It's great having the spanners on the MT1 which are lacking from most more recent tools and which I need (I actually prefer using standard 8mm bolts in certain places because the heads distribute stress better and because they can be tightened from the side, which is more convenient in certain places). But one limitation is that the spanners are on the same unit as the hex keys, which means if you have bolt/nut combos (eg fenders, some rack fixtures, etc), then you cannot tighten and hold at the same time. So I also carry a small (same total length as the MT1) double-sided 8/10mm crescent wrench.
But this isn't just a problem with the MT1, basically all multitools with everything on one unit require a second wrench if you have nut/bolt combos on your bike. One exception is the Topeak Alien series, which can split in two.
I originally found the lack of a phillips head screwdriver confusing, but it turned out that the few screws on my bikes (limit screws, b-screw, preload/centering screws) are all flat head compatible, and I think the reasoning might have been that in a pinch, a flat head screw driver works in a phillips screw, but a phillips driver does not work in a flat head screw. But just a guess. If the limit screws are the "limiting" factor for adopting this tool, you could swap them out pretty easily. [Edit--also worth noting is that the MT1 screwdriver is not meant for anything that requires a lot of torque, it is too fine and really is basically for limit screws and the like.]
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I originally found the lack of a phillips head screwdriver confusing, but it turned out that the few screws on my bikes (limit screws, b-screw, preload/centering screws) are all flat head compatible, and I think the reasoning might have been that in a pinch, a flat head screw driver works in a phillips screw, but a phillips driver does not work in a flat head screw.
I've also got a Leatherman Micra on my key ring which has a phillips that fits.
Apparently torx was patented in 1971, I still don't use it.
The historic move to hex bolts did make life easier though:
I do really like the fact that Lyotard Berthet M23 pedals (1950s) take a spanner or a 6mm allen key - the 6mm hex is much easier to use.
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Yep, I took a closer look at the (original) SunTour limit screws and they are 'flat compatible'.
I've also got a Leatherman Micra on my key ring which has a phillips that fits.
Apparently torx was patented in 1971, I still don't use it.
The historic move to hex bolts did make life easier though:
I do really like the fact that Lyotard Berthet M23 pedals (1950s) take a spanner or a 6mm allen key - the 6mm hex is much easier to use.
I've also got a Leatherman Micra on my key ring which has a phillips that fits.
Apparently torx was patented in 1971, I still don't use it.
The historic move to hex bolts did make life easier though:
I do really like the fact that Lyotard Berthet M23 pedals (1950s) take a spanner or a 6mm allen key - the 6mm hex is much easier to use.
the point about the leatherman is a good one, too. I also always carry a pocket knife, so I have a screwdriver and wouldn't have to rely on the MT1, anyway. So it is a bit redundant...
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from Wikipedia:
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By design, Torx head screws resist cam out better than Phillips head or slot head screws
The Torx design allows for a higher torque to be exerted than a similarly sized conventional hex socket head without damaging the head or the tool
.The Torx design allows for a higher torque to be exerted than a similarly sized conventional hex socket head without damaging the head or the tool
I think I'm lucky that Torx will never be vintage for me, I've still got a small (inherited) collection of 'multi-way bicycle spanners' from the 60s.
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Ya got some great suggestions. But when I was thinking about this I considered what tool I use the most. Which one do a go for when in the garage, driveway, or on the road. Oddly I always go for this one first and then if needed other more specific tools. Ha...
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In theory Torx is a good idea,
from Wikipedia:
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I think I'm lucky that Torx will never be vintage for me, I've still got a small (inherited) collection of 'multi-way bicycle spanners' from the 60s.
from Wikipedia:
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By design, Torx head screws resist cam out better than Phillips head or slot head screws
The Torx design allows for a higher torque to be exerted than a similarly sized conventional hex socket head without damaging the head or the tool
.The Torx design allows for a higher torque to be exerted than a similarly sized conventional hex socket head without damaging the head or the tool
I think I'm lucky that Torx will never be vintage for me, I've still got a small (inherited) collection of 'multi-way bicycle spanners' from the 60s.
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Got it... Years ago I modified a Prince Point screw driver for a better fit on my non-European bicycle screws/bolts.
So what would be the most versatile JIS screw driver to have on the bench and on a ride?
So what would be the most versatile JIS screw driver to have on the bench and on a ride?
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