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Old 02-01-24, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughed
You have to have the $$$$$ fillet knife, everything else is crap.
I thought you were going to write, "everything else is carp."
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Oh this is terrible. The BF has sunk to a new low where common sense and reason has inserted itself. Where is Larry when you need him?
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Not that there is anything wrong with it - but the internet has played a massive role in duffers using professional level gear. Go on any early golf based message board and there would be board golf "pro's" telling newbs that they need clubs suited for Tiger...
Tiger should have had a driver. Too soon?
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Insert any hobby into this discussion.

You have to have the $$$$$ fillet knife, everything else is crap. Same for fishing rods, hooks, reels, boats... COOLERS!!!! Only a $500 yeti will keep ice cold!!
FWIW As a single data point:
Mrs Based and I went on a 10 day road trip just before Memorial day from Seattle to Yellowstones' West gate, then onward to Ogden Utah with a visit to Utah Trike & back to Seattle. That Yeti even with all the 10 days worth of open/close cycles for food prep & replenishment only used 1 bag of ice and a single replacement in that entire 10 day period. Still tossed a half bag when we got home. Probably saved $50 in ice cost over conventional coolers on that 1 trip alone.

Needed? Absolutely not. But, still pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Insert any hobby into this discussion.

Not that there is anything wrong with it - but the internet has played a massive role in duffers using professional level gear. Go on any early golf based message board and there would be board golf "pro's" telling newbs that they need clubs suited for Tiger... or a bike suited for Lance... or fishing gear suited for the bass pro's...

I'm also a fisherman, and used to be a "professional" fisherman. I've literally cleaned 10's of thousands of fish, and helped people catch 10's of thousands of fish - the internet people would ask what's the " best" fillet knife - and the board experts would guide the newbs into $$$$ blades made of this or that material, with this or that handle type... meanwhile, the "pro's" used $15 fillet knives, and when this advice is offered up on the board - the board people would go nuts. You have to have the $$$$$ fillet knife, everything else is crap. Same for fishing rods, hooks, reels, boats... COOLERS!!!! Only a $500 yeti will keep ice cold!!
What fundamentally differs between your example and what occurs here on BF is that it is the inverse. The premise of this thread as an example is just an excuse to crap on carbon (or as the locals like to say crabon) in fact there are two threads running concurrently on this same article. It's rarely the people who have adopted newer tech denigrating older less expensive topics but rather the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
It's rarely the people who have adopted newer tech denigrating older less expensive topics but rather the other way around.
HA! I knew this was you before I even looked at the post author.

But you're still wrong.
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Originally Posted by smd4
HA! I knew this was you before I even looked at the post author.

But you're still wrong.
Still selective editing I see.
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The author's problem with carbon revolves around the idea that they're an expense whose marginal benefits are irrelevant to feeble non-pros.

That might be a valid point for poors, but the author forgets that there are people with disposable income. Keyword disposable.

And that's pretty much the end of it.
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Originally Posted by Yan
The author's problem with carbon revolves around the idea that they're an expense whose marginal benefits are irrelevant to feeble non-pros.

That might be a valid point for poors, but the author forgets that there are people with disposable bikes. Keyword disposable.

And that's pretty much the end of it.
Why would you call CF disposable?
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Why would you call CF disposable?
Illegal procedure. 5 yard penalty.
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Originally Posted by Yan
The author's problem with carbon revolves around the idea that they're an expense whose marginal benefits are irrelevant to feeble non-pros.

That might be a valid point for poors, but the author forgets that there are people with disposable income. Keyword disposable.

And that's pretty much the end of it.
Originally Posted by Jughed
Why would you call CF disposable?
He didn't.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Why would you call CF disposable?
You know we can still see his post, right?
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You know we can still see his post, right?
I made an interweb funny.
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To paraphrase Mike Magnuson (Heft on Wheels) "If you're worried about bike weight try going from say 242 pounds of body weight to 174. Then see how fast you fly up up the hills".
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I just bought my very first carbon bike ever, about 10 days ago.

It still hasn't improved my insomnia, hemarohoids, impotence or my propensity to invent right-wing conspiracy theories to explain everything.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
I just bought my very first carbon bike ever, about 10 days ago.

It still hasn't improved my insomnia, hemarohoids, impotence or my propensity to invent right-wing conspiracy theories to explain everything.
You bought the wrong one. The good carbon bikes fix all those things.
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As a boomer let me respond to the op-ed: Okay, boomer.

Retrogrouch is a remarkably easy path and requires nothing more than airing of grievances. That's what Festivus is for.
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Well, the Festivus Airing of Grievances requires the use of an aluminum pole. An aluminum bike frame has 8 aluminum poles. The anti-carbon crowd is well equipped for the ritual...Even if it is 11 months away.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
I just bought my very first carbon bike ever, about 10 days ago.

It still hasn't improved my insomnia, hemarohoids, impotence or my propensity to invent right-wing conspiracy theories to explain everything.
Well it certainly has given you shinier, whiter teeth.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
I made an interweb funny.
No, you didn't.

Originally Posted by boozergut
To paraphrase Mike Magnuson (Heft on Wheels) "If you're worried about bike weight try going from say 242 pounds of body weight to 174. Then see how fast you fly up up the hills".
I'm 6'2" tall and currently 161 lbs. How much weight do I have to lose before I can worry about bike weight?
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Originally Posted by base2
FWIW As a single data point:
Mrs Based and I went on a 10 day road trip just before Memorial day from Seattle to Yellowstones' West gate, then onward to Ogden Utah with a visit to Utah Trike & back to Seattle. That Yeti even with all the 10 days worth of open/close cycles for food prep & replenishment only used 1 bag of ice and a single replacement in that entire 10 day period. Still tossed a half bag when we got home. Probably saved $50 in ice cost over conventional coolers on that 1 trip alone.

Needed? Absolutely not. But, still pretty cool.
How many pages before this thread becomes a Yeti vs Coleman cooler fight?
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Well it certainly has given you shinier, whiter teeth.
Sadly, no.
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I just read the article. I don't see anything to object to. He did miss another important concern: carbon fiber is a bit of an environmental/public health disaster, both to manufacture and to dispose of (I don't think most, other than the new Chris King rims, can be recycled).
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
I just read the article. I don't see anything to object to.
I don't think anyone is objecting to the article; it's just yawn-inducing.
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Originally Posted by boozergut
To paraphrase Mike Magnuson (Heft on Wheels) "If you're worried about bike weight try going from say 242 pounds of body weight to 174. Then see how fast you fly up up the hills".
Irrelevant
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