I, on the other hand, think telling the EPA is not only perfectly fine, it's a positive good. Perfomative A-holery like that to often goes unpunished.

Well just agree to disagree then.
Our government and agencies are bloated, corrupt, inefficient and not how the country was intended to operate.
I don't believe in reporting to, helping, or assisting any of these said government entities.
Frankly I think people that trust our government or any agency associated with it are either ignorant or brainwashed and should not be taken seriously on this particular topic

This isn't the Politics and Religion forum, so please feel free to stop.

If we ignore the EPA for the moment, do you believe rolling coal should be treated as a crime? If not, then by the same logic it's neither harassment nor assault to intentionally blow cigarette/cigar/weed smoke in someone's face.

No it's not a crime where I live I don't think.
And it shouldnt be treated as one
A** hole move? Definitaly

You do realize that intentionally blowing cigarette smoke in someone's face isn't a specifically enumerated crime anywhere, right? It gets prosecuted as harassment and/or assault depending on circumstances. Why then is it not the exact same thing when you intentionally blow diesel exhaust in someone's face?

Because it's petty as hell. Same with cig smoke.
It's 5 seconds of something unpleasant then you can move on with your day.

Like who the hell would go through the trouble to press charges for someone blowing a cigarette in your face?
To me it's just ridiculous

Diesel exhaust particulate is full of carcinogenic compounds and "rolling coal" is designed to radically increase the amount of that particulate matter. There's a REASON it's regulated, and flouting those regulations because you're a smooth-brained idiot should not go unpunished.

One of the points of having laws is to remove personal opinions on a particular behavior. Moreover, you keep asserting things without actually substantiating them. Using logic and legal ethics, why shouldn't rolling coal or blowing smoke in someone's face (the same act in different settings) be treated as crimes?

So all laws are good and should be blindly followed?
I think not.
That's how situations like Nazi Germany or stalins Russia arise.


Using logic there shouldnt need to be a law against blowing any kind of smoke.
If I was riding in the street which I rarely do unless there is no sidewalk or path. And someone blasted me with diesel smoke. I would honestly have myself a good chuckle.
Y'all take yourselfs a bit serious no?

The point isn't that ONE TRUCK rolling coal, belching out carcinogens is a huge problem by itself. It's that millions of diesel vehicles, and diesel powered... everything belch out carcinogens is a problem. So it's regulated, which requires a punishment for noncompliance - especially WILLFUL noncompliance - or nobody'd follow the regulation.

The non EPA trucks were more efficient as a total package.
I posted about this way up the thread
Wrenched diesels for 10 years.
The "green" movement people fall for is nothing more than a money grab.

The old non EPA busses I worked on would get 10ish mpg sometimes 12
The EPA compliant busses achieved about 6 sometimes 8mpg

Not to mention all the extra pollution added in shipping and manufacter of all the dpf/def components. Think mining platinum is good for the environment?
Think injecting urea into exhaust is good for the environment?
EPA diesels we're about 40% of our fleet and caused about 85% of the breakdowns.
Think the manufacture and shipping of all them extra parts reduces pollution?
Look at the big picture.
All your looking at is 1 tree, not the whole forest

You're probably too young to remember what the air in cities used to be like. It was bad. It was unhealthy. It smelled bad. Every so often, living in rust-free California, I find myself behind a pre-smog muscle car, its 7 liter engine pumping out semi-burned hydrocarbons, and I remember what it used to be like - ALL cars pumping that **** out all the time they were running. Diesels pumping out huge clouds of particulates loaded with carcinogenic chemicals from incomplete combustion.

You say I can't see the forest for the trees? Dude, you didn't used to be able to see the forest, because of the smog.

And, yes, injecting urea reduces nitrogen oxide pollution, which used to be one of the biggest contributors to photochemical smog - the kind that made LA and other places so famously smoggy.

Hello. What’s this thread about?

No where did I ever say I wasn't for effiecient engines with less pollution
What I'm telling you for a fact is that dpf/def is a lie about efficiency.
The engines I worked on most 24valve cummins (pre emissions)
And the 24valve post emissions and later the 6.7 cummins.
The pre emissions 24 valve cummins barely smoked at all. Now sure you can tune them to smoke a bunch but thats just wasting fuel. They got amazing fuel milage ( roughly 30 to 50% better than the 6.7)and had very rare breakdowns.
The 6.7 cummins were constantly in regen ( literally injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke to super heat the dpf) injecting urea, constantly breaking down. Wich causes more pollution because parts need to be manufactured and shipped from around the world.
Guess what happens to all that soot that the dpf traps before it goes into the air?
You pull the dpf and blow it out with compressed air.
And a power washer.
So all that soot literally goes into the air and groundwater.
Just the normal civilian doesn't see it.
Here's some fun urea (def) side effects

And here's all the things that need mined for a dpf

Originally about getting brake checked.
Then about a rider reporting to the EPA about getting rolled coal on.

Oh dearie dear. You understand the urea is a reactive substrate, yes? Which means it's consumed by the reaction, yielding N2 and CO2. It's not spraying urea into the air.

This is a common theme with folks who argue the way you do. When they're backed into a corner they resort to straw man fallacies. Adding a question mark at the end doesn't change it, because I wasn't born yesterday.

I wondered how long it would take you to invoke Godwin's Law, and you didn't disappoint.

I don't think you understand what logic is, particularly when it applies to legal ethics.

I'd rather be too serious than not serious at all.

We will miss you Uncle Ruckus. I can see the clock already ticking.

IKR

First politics and now gun talk. Someone needs to read the forum rules.

There is a place for everyone, even if it’s hidden in the woods. When are you releasing your manifesto?

Why wait until Monday? Your next day off?

Well spending time with the family this weekend, then yes labor day off.

Good God man.
Just cause we don't share viewpoints I'm sure that makes me a scary bad guy huh?