Adult customers would check the warranty before buying anything... I mean those without cognitive impairment!

In this case shipment costs for a replacement or refund are usually paid by the seller.

Nothing takes the sting out of a long accident recovery like knowing the broken part that caused the accident will be replaced under warranty with free shipping!

You are not understanding the point, and I don’t think you ever will. So I won’t bother with further explanation.

Ah yes that old, broken record... when 75% of all bikes are made there, and they win world championships...

The unsubstantiated claim that some kid won a race on cheap handlebars also takes the sting out of that long accident recovery.

Again - this thread is about TOSEEK aero bars.

And like I clearly said - my Roval parts may or may not be made in the exact same factory as TOSEEK. But that in no way means they are in any way = in quality, = in QAQC, = in customer support after the fact.

One brand has a reputation to protect, one - not so much. One brand can't simply rebrand itself after major product failures, one can. TOSEEK can be WESEEK next week - making the same crap, and none of us would know any better.

Anyhoo - ride what you want. Cheap out on what you want... just hope, that like me, you don't have a high deductible medical plan. Because those cheap TOSEEK bars (which if you read, I didn't even purchase) ended up costing me more than a complete Time Alpe D' Huez.

Just buy those recommended in the video I linked, and you can ride safe.

All the best ;-)

Price and brand is no guarantee of quality. What you do get when buying a name brand is someone to sue if things go wrong. I have personally had great luck with cheap china parts but that does not mean I won’t get a dud on my next aliexpress purchase.

Plenty of garbage out there from name brand producers. This was the steer tube on a cane creek invert. A $1000 fork. Fully delaminating the length of the tube. It was replaced by cane creek no questions asked. However had not known better and I ran this fork I could have been seriously injured.






I have had three sets of china rxl drop bars. I can stand on them full weight and jump. Does that mean all there bars are this strong? No and there is no way to know which ones are defective. Just like the name brand companies. It’s all faith. lol. There are pictures of these rxl bars failing pretty bad while I can jump up and down with 200 lbs on mine.

Something else to understand, unless it was installed by a shop or a professional a failure could be improper install. Many people are wrenching on there own bike when buying china parts and most have no idea what they are doing and don’t have the correct tools to install even handle bars correctly.

Edit. I should also point out I have never been screwed by a china company or had anny serious failures. Any item or part that was defective was either refunded or replaced. I have built two and a half gravel bikes with china parts and owned two road bikes that were all china(tantan) I have had several issues in that time with quality. On one of the tantan bike, the seat post was misshaped and would not tighten down, replaced by tantan at no expense. One was a toseek fork with out of square caliper faces, replaced by toseek. They did not want the bad one back. I managed to face the bad one and add some washers and got two for the price of one. Both now years old with many miles on them. Had a custom Ti front fork made and it was a total disaster and was refunded. They did not want it back and after hours of modifications and a custom crown race and shims to straighten the wheel… it worked.
So you see if you are willing to work with the parts and understand what you are getting it’s great and lots of fun. If you need it to work and just bolt on get a name brand.

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Okaaaaay.

Nice you took both out of context. Name brand stuff can still have defects while having better quality control and easier instal. That was the point you missed so completely. But I would think that was obvious and did not need pointing out.

Some have a gift for the obvious. Others, not so much.

Which means that "name brand stuff" is less likely to fail. Which is what some of us have been saying in this and some other threads.

No one has suggested that "name brand stuff" never has problems.

Thanks for sharing you experience, although I didn't buy as many parts from China, this confirms my feelings...

It's a bit of a lottery buying on aliexpress, but you can learn to avoid some traps, eg when the same item is suddenly half the price compared to other sellers on the platform, expect some QC issues.

Also the Chinese can be very efficient, if you report something with good evidence, they often react fast!

What you claim is obvious is actually what others stated in previous threads where you argued that cheap components are just as good as brand name components. So, yes, it is pretty obvious to most of us.