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Old 05-09-08 | 12:28 PM
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Gear Changing

I have a Dawes Galaxy 2007 with bar end gear shifters. I can change the rear cog quite happily, because I can feel and hear the click of the lever as it changes. I have difficulty with the changing the triple on the crank, as the lever for that does not click and the only indication I get is when I hear the chain slip to the new position ( by which time I have usually lost momentum) which for me a newbie is most disconcerting. Any suggestions to ease the matter would be helpful.

The other question I have how do you effectively change gear. For example if I am approaching a hill with the chain on the centre cog front and the big cog rear, I can happily change down through the nine gears. When I get to the lowest gear set if need be I then have to change to an even lower gear presumably by dropping to the small cog front, first. This leaves me in the position where I am in an extremely low gear (since my rear cog is also the smallest) and I am left wasting energy by spinning pedals. Is this correct or am I doing something wrong ?
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Old 05-09-08 | 12:59 PM
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The front derailer is probably set for friction shifting, meaning there is no indexing. There is actually an advantage to this, in that you can micro-adjust the front derailer to avoid chain rub. Some shifters can be switched from index to friction and back. Otherwise, you just practice with friction shifting and eventually you'll learn how far you need to move it and get good at it.
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Old 05-09-08 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by desperion
I have a Dawes Galaxy 2007 with bar end gear shifters. I can change the rear cog quite happily, because I can feel and hear the click of the lever as it changes. I have difficulty with the changing the triple on the crank, as the lever for that does not click and the only indication I get is when I hear the chain slip to the new position ( by which time I have usually lost momentum) which for me a newbie is most disconcerting. Any suggestions to ease the matter would be helpful.

The other question I have how do you effectively change gear. For example if I am approaching a hill with the chain on the centre cog front and the big cog rear, I can happily change down through the nine gears. When I get to the lowest gear set if need be I then have to change to an even lower gear presumably by dropping to the small cog front, first. This leaves me in the position where I am in an extremely low gear (since my rear cog is also the smallest) and I am left wasting energy by spinning pedals. Is this correct or am I doing something wrong ?
Instead of shifting through the rear cogset, and then shifting to a smaller chainring, try alternating shifting the front and rear.

There's a very useful gearing calculator here https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/ that will help you figure out exactly what combinations of chainring and cog are higher or lower.
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Old 05-09-08 | 01:56 PM
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You don't necessarily need to go all the way to the end of the cogset before shifting the chainrings.

If you see a hill approaching, drop down to the smaller chainring, then shift to harder (smaller) cogs in the back, until your cadence or pedal effort is similar to what you were doing before the chainring shift. This way, you have more gear choices without having to shift the chainrings while on the hill.

With more experience, you'll know which chainring to use in different road conditions - flat, shallow uphill, steep uphill, rolling. You'll still switch chainrings as needed, but you'll more often be in the middle of the cogs, making shifts up or down a cog easy.

You want to avoid extreme crosschaining, like small chainring to small cog, but doing it occasionally won't hurt anything.

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Old 05-09-08 | 02:08 PM
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Mike Sherman's gear calculator is helpful.

Here's a typical 12-27 cog, 30-39-52 triple road bike gear table.
It shows the kph at 85 rpm cadence for each gear combination. On the web site, you can change the gear sizes and try different cadences, too. Or change to miles per hour.

85 to 90 rpm is a good cadence for many riders. You'll probably have a slower cadence on steep hills, and a faster cadence if you are accelerating.

So the smallest chainring, 30 teeth, is good for speeds of 23 kph down to 12 kph at this cadence (I skip the 12 and 13, since these are to be avoided)
The middle is good for 35 kph down to 15 kph. You can see the three sets have an overlap in their speed ranges.

Notice that the 52-21 is similar to the 39-17 and the 30-13, for example.

------12---13---14---15---17---19---21---24---27
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52 | 46.7 43.1 39.9 37.3 33.0 29.5 26.7 23.3 20.8
39 | 34.9 32.3 29.9 28.0 24.6 22.0 20.0 17.5 15.6
30 | 26.9 24.8 23.0 21.6 19.0 17.1 15.4 13.5 11.9
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Old 05-12-08 | 08:34 AM
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Thank you for all that information, I think i have got the general drift now and I'm sure it will be all "downhill" now thanks to your help :-)
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Old 05-12-08 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by desperion
The other question I have how do you effectively change gear. For example if I am approaching a hill with the chain on the centre cog front and the big cog rear, I can happily change down through the nine gears. When I get to the lowest gear set if need be I then have to change to an even lower gear presumably by dropping to the small cog front, first. This leaves me in the position where I am in an extremely low gear (since my rear cog is also the smallest) and I am left wasting energy by spinning pedals. Is this correct or am I doing something wrong ?
If you're already using the big cog rear, there's no lower gear to shift to. You must mean using the small cog rear. Anyway, plug your gearing into one of the calculators you can find on the internet (here's one: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/), and see what your gear ratios really are for your bike. You'll probably find that changing by one gear in the front is equivalent to changing by 2 or 3 at the rear. In any case, you don't have to run through all the rear gears before changing the front...there's probably a lot of overlap, and you can change to the small front while in the middle rear, and then shift up a gear or two at the rear, before continuing to shift down at the rear.

Here's a calculation I did for my mountain bike:



The figures are in mph at a cadence of 60 rpm at the pedals. Notice the large amount of overlap of the gearing available with the different front gears. Even the largest and smallest overlap by several rear gears.

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