Ethnicity and cycling
04-13-09 | 09:44 AM
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oh my honest mistake. I thought that was the "technical" term that fits along with Asian and Caucasian. So... what's the (current) singular word used to describe a person of African descent?
I double checked in the dictionary. Didn't say it had any negative connotation... so is it that it's just outdated?
I double checked in the dictionary. Didn't say it had any negative connotation... so is it that it's just outdated?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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04-13-09 | 12:54 PM
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Everytime I ride my bike, either to work or just leisure, or whenever I am outside, I observe how many other cyclists there are like me. While noticing them, I've noticed something else, based on race and ethnicity. For some unknown reason, most cyclists I see (at least in Toronto where I live) are white. If I see a person of asian or african descent cycling, for some reason it is a rare occurence while I see people who are white on their bikes all the time. Do you notice this as well in your area? And what do you think is the reason for mostly white people riding bikes? It is something that kind of confuses me.
04-13-09 | 01:48 PM
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LOL
i really didnt expect this thread to be hilarious... and pls dont ask why coz im not gonna say which specific post had me laughing so hard i fell off my saddle
i hope the thread doesn't turn towards an ugly direction, we're all here to enjoy a nice ride.. ;-)
cheers!
i really didnt expect this thread to be hilarious... and pls dont ask why coz im not gonna say which specific post had me laughing so hard i fell off my saddle
i hope the thread doesn't turn towards an ugly direction, we're all here to enjoy a nice ride.. ;-)
cheers!
04-13-09 | 01:53 PM
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LOL
i really didnt expect this thread to be hilarious... and pls dont ask why coz im not gonna say which specific post had me laughing so hard i fell off my saddle
i hope the thread doesn't turn towards an ugly direction, we're all here to enjoy a nice ride.. ;-)
cheers!
i really didnt expect this thread to be hilarious... and pls dont ask why coz im not gonna say which specific post had me laughing so hard i fell off my saddle
i hope the thread doesn't turn towards an ugly direction, we're all here to enjoy a nice ride.. ;-)
cheers!
04-13-09 | 05:51 PM
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I wikipedia-ed it. Is "Congoid" supposed to be the current substitute?
The problem with the term "Negroid" is that it classifies a race by color of skin rather than from original location. If you say that's the reason why the term shouldn't be used... "Asian" shouldn't be used either at it groups people from many regions into one big category.
I try to refrain from saying "white," "black," "brown," "yellow."
What word would you have me use?
The problem with the term "Negroid" is that it classifies a race by color of skin rather than from original location. If you say that's the reason why the term shouldn't be used... "Asian" shouldn't be used either at it groups people from many regions into one big category.
I try to refrain from saying "white," "black," "brown," "yellow."
What word would you have me use?
04-13-09 | 07:54 PM
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we are talking about ethnicity and race. "people" isn't specific 'nough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
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04-13-09 | 08:34 PM
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I see that a lot out here by Chicago, and it always makes me wonder if they're riding their kids bikes. Most of these guys ride way more than I do to.
04-14-09 | 08:04 AM
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we are talking about ethnicity and race. "people" isn't specific 'nough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
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04-14-09 | 09:13 AM
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we are talking about ethnicity and race. "people" isn't specific 'nough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
Check it out under the 20th century division. The term "Negroid" is there along with "Caucasoid," "Capoid," "Mongoloid," "Australoid."
I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not for racism. I did capitalize the word (and usually I write totally in lower case). I do give respect. Why are you all getting your knickers in a knot over this?
Fitting people into the white/black/yellow/red/brown categories is the same thing. I refrain from using those terms as some are insulted by it because it's considered slang in some circles. The only time I've heard the Caucasian, Asian, and Negroid terms used is when someone is having a serious talk about it - no racism bs. I thought I'd adopt the more technical ettiquette to try and avoid the attacks by the people who get squeamish at the sight of a word.
Coon and his work drew some charges of obsolete thinking or outright racism from a few critics, but some of the terminology he employed continues to be used even today, although the "-oid" suffixes now have in part taken on negative connotations.
Categorizing people by race is a tricky business; it’s difficult to find terms are neutral and useful. Does Asian in your example all people from the continent of Asia including India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East, and most of Russia? Why or why not?
04-14-09 | 10:14 AM
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I hope people see that I didn't mean to offend anyone.
04-14-09 | 11:03 AM
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It offends me that you didn't mean to offend anyone.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
04-14-09 | 02:37 PM
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04-14-09 | 03:09 PM
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04-14-09 | 04:52 PM
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Heh, the problem with racial discussions is that so many terms are tied into systematic oppression of groups who really did have terrible things done to them.
In the US, the most polite term for a person of majority sub-Saharan African descent is "African-American;" "black" is also considered okay. "Mixed race" sometimes comes up.
"Negro" is a dated term and while still used by a few organizations which have long histories, is generally used by older folks who don't care to be polite about their racial discussions. Anything "-oid" has connotations associated with the old Eugenicist movements back in the 20s and 30s and should be avoided.
It's complicated, but being polite in times of weirdness is something that can be complicated. In general, you should be fine with "black." There are a decent number of folks who would seek to correct you to "African-American," if you're speaking of the descendants of American slaves and more recent immigrants who resemble them. The polite response is to acknowledge the correction and speak in the term they prefer.
The general term for a person who is Hispanic, Asian, or African-American is "persons of color," which is a bit of a mouthful but works fine.
In the US, the most polite term for a person of majority sub-Saharan African descent is "African-American;" "black" is also considered okay. "Mixed race" sometimes comes up.
"Negro" is a dated term and while still used by a few organizations which have long histories, is generally used by older folks who don't care to be polite about their racial discussions. Anything "-oid" has connotations associated with the old Eugenicist movements back in the 20s and 30s and should be avoided.
It's complicated, but being polite in times of weirdness is something that can be complicated. In general, you should be fine with "black." There are a decent number of folks who would seek to correct you to "African-American," if you're speaking of the descendants of American slaves and more recent immigrants who resemble them. The polite response is to acknowledge the correction and speak in the term they prefer.
The general term for a person who is Hispanic, Asian, or African-American is "persons of color," which is a bit of a mouthful but works fine.
04-14-09 | 05:03 PM
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04-14-09 | 05:03 PM
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Despite the fact that white is a colour too. Curiously that is the term they use in courtrooms. I also recall reading that some people now prefer to be referred to as "non-white".
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04-14-09 | 06:27 PM
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
04-15-09 | 06:50 AM
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It is a confusing term as most people really mean south east Asian and not people from all parts of Asia. Even the US Census leaves out the middle east and russian part.