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If the OP were as smart as he thinks he is, he'd just hire some kid to wheel him back to his car in the same wheelbarrow that he hauls all his bull twinkle around in. 
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This thread has a funny smell, but in case you are serious.
https://images.google.ca/images?q=cle...ed=0CCwQsAQwBQ
Still would look goofy, but you would be able to walk without sliding around, or wrecking the cleats.
https://images.google.ca/images?q=cle...ed=0CCwQsAQwBQ
Still would look goofy, but you would be able to walk without sliding around, or wrecking the cleats.
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This thread has a funny smell, but in case you are serious.
https://images.google.ca/images?q=cle...ed=0CCwQsAQwBQ
Still would look goofy, but you would be able to walk without sliding around, or wrecking the cleats.
https://images.google.ca/images?q=cle...ed=0CCwQsAQwBQ
Still would look goofy, but you would be able to walk without sliding around, or wrecking the cleats.
the way i see it use regular shoes up until the point i get on the bike. then use road shoes. where would i use the covers?
i drive to the beginning of the trail. take the bike off the roof rack and ride. i might have to take several steps in the cleats between the point where i lean the bike on a fence and the point where i put on my regular shoes which is the car's trunk. that's unless i put the bike on the ground next to the car - then i would wear out the tape on the handlebars. would it really be worth it to carry covers with me just so i could take maybe 10 steps in them ?
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I'm disappointed that nobody has come up with the obvious answer to the noob's plight.
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do you use this yourself ? i can't imagine a use for them.
the way i see it use regular shoes up until the point i get on the bike. then use road shoes. where would i use the covers?
i drive to the beginning of the trail. take the bike off the roof rack and ride. i might have to take several steps in the cleats between the point where i lean the bike on a fence and the point where i put on my regular shoes which is the car's trunk. that's unless i put the bike on the ground next to the car - then i would wear out the tape on the handlebars. would it really be worth it to carry covers with me just so i could take maybe 10 steps in them ?
the way i see it use regular shoes up until the point i get on the bike. then use road shoes. where would i use the covers?
i drive to the beginning of the trail. take the bike off the roof rack and ride. i might have to take several steps in the cleats between the point where i lean the bike on a fence and the point where i put on my regular shoes which is the car's trunk. that's unless i put the bike on the ground next to the car - then i would wear out the tape on the handlebars. would it really be worth it to carry covers with me just so i could take maybe 10 steps in them ?
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(This is rich coming from me).
"The troll song" Enjoy...
"Trolling, trolling, trolling
Keep them posters trolling
Twist the facts around... tell lie
Don't try to understand em
Ignore, warn and ban em
Sometimes I laugh so hard I cry"
"Head em up, move em out, punch em low, twist the fact
Head um up, break their legs, tell lies
Make em pay, hit em low, twist facts, make em pay.... head em up twist the facts....... tell....lies
Trolling, trolling, trolling
Trolling, trolling, trolling"
They like it...
"The troll song" Enjoy...
"Trolling, trolling, trolling
Keep them posters trolling
Twist the facts around... tell lie
Don't try to understand em
Ignore, warn and ban em
Sometimes I laugh so hard I cry"
"Head em up, move em out, punch em low, twist the fact
Head um up, break their legs, tell lies
Make em pay, hit em low, twist facts, make em pay.... head em up twist the facts....... tell....lies
Trolling, trolling, trolling
Trolling, trolling, trolling"
They like it...
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Are you guys seriously going to argue with a guy who has this posted on his home forum:
He even goes by the handle "Troll". His website is kind of funny, in the sense that if dishes out some pretty heavy schadenfreude.
About Trolling
by Troll on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Ever since I started posting in the 90s I have been called a troll. In those days starting flame wars was never my intention (as far as I can remember) instead it just happened naturally. Back then I did not even know what trolling was, but over the years I learned that trolling was whatever I was doing. Over the years I also got better at it – I now feel right at home under other posters’ skin causing terrible rashes.
I still don’t think trolling is evil though, in fact the very reason trolling works is because trolling is what debate is all about.
What is trolling? Let’s say you have an opinion (Dynaudio is the best !) but it’s just an opinion and not something that can be objectively analyzed. You feel strongly about that opinion and yet you have nothing to back it up with. Now a troll knows what is going on inside your head and he senses your weaknesses (such as beliefs suspended on thin air). A troll may conduct a brief research into your delusions (give you an MRI so to speak) to better understand where the actual discontinuities in your system of understanding lie by asking you a few questions like a psychiatrist would. You may be able to reason from A to B but a troll may determine that you can only take a leap of faith from B to C and once the troll knows this he moves in to maneuver you to that point, get behind your back and push you off the cliff. Troll knows that there is no way you can prove your belief (that Dynaudio is good) and he also knows that you owe him nothing and if challenged to prove it you will simply walk away from the argument. This is why troll comes out and says “wow I thought Bose was bad but Dynaudio is the real garbage.”
Why trolls are hated? Because weak people care only about security. Weak people gladly trade their liberties for security. You would give up your freedom of speech just to make sure that I cannot tell you the truth about yourself. You know your beliefs are **** but you want to keep believing them because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think that you actually understand or know something when you really don’t. Furthermore a regular poster is defenseless against the troll. Troll will go through your system of beliefs like a chainsaw through butter. You know this and that is why as soon as you realize there is a troll on the forum you start crying and begging for help.
How trolls are fought? The usual technique is for somebody who wants to appear wise to come out and say “don’t feed the trolls. If you don’t feed him he will go away.” This does not work. The reason it doesn’t is because everybody else would love to see your guts smeared all over the ceiling when the troll is done with you. You also know this and it pisses you off to no end to see others pretending to try to help you but in actuality fueling the fire in which you are burning.
Why trolls are needed? Because without one a forum goes stale. Elite cliques form from people who tacitly agree to publicly call each other experts and never disagree with each other except jokingly. A set of beliefs is chosen to become “common knowledge” even though it is actually total bull****. Anybody who disagrees with the official bull**** is collectively driven off the board. Eventually the board is nothing but incessant patting of each other on the back for fictional accomplishments and for great “wisdom” where wisdom is measured in adherence to the unfounded beliefs held collectively by the board. For example if the board decides that the earth is flat you would be called wise every time you say the earth is flat and if you were to say it is round everybody would be on your ass until you left. This situation cannot arise on a forum with effective trolling because trolls actively seek out such delusions and attack them mercilessly. Once a forum successfully gets rid of its last troll (by banning him) that forum is doomed. Like a nation without dissidents a forum without trolls will enter a period of stagnation and decay. Other nations will remain innovative, continue to develop and eventually stomp all over the ******.
Trolling is active discussion. It may be heresy but it’s much better than inquisition. Trolling should not be fought, it should be properly addressed.
How can trolling be properly addressed? The only good way of dealing with trolling is to subdivide the forum into sections. For example a troll may be highly political and simply by avoiding the “politics” subforum you will spare yourself much of the aggravation of dealing with him. Likewise a troll may believe that only idiots use vacuum tube amplifiers so if you have a “vacuum tube amplifiers” subforum it will most likely be too boring for the troll to bother visiting it so you can sit there all day and discuss shiny tubes with other like-minded individuals while the troll is bashing unsuspecting noobs in general discussion area.
Trolls are an important element of every great forum just like healthy political opposition (im not talking about 2 party system here, but real opposition) is essential for any great nation. Dissidents such as constitutionalists will get called “anarchists” by fox news but these “anarchists” are the only thing that stands between us and fascism. When fox news calls you an anarchist you should be proud and just the same I am proud of being a troll.
Madness? this is Spartaaaaa !!!
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by Troll on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Ever since I started posting in the 90s I have been called a troll. In those days starting flame wars was never my intention (as far as I can remember) instead it just happened naturally. Back then I did not even know what trolling was, but over the years I learned that trolling was whatever I was doing. Over the years I also got better at it – I now feel right at home under other posters’ skin causing terrible rashes.
I still don’t think trolling is evil though, in fact the very reason trolling works is because trolling is what debate is all about.
What is trolling? Let’s say you have an opinion (Dynaudio is the best !) but it’s just an opinion and not something that can be objectively analyzed. You feel strongly about that opinion and yet you have nothing to back it up with. Now a troll knows what is going on inside your head and he senses your weaknesses (such as beliefs suspended on thin air). A troll may conduct a brief research into your delusions (give you an MRI so to speak) to better understand where the actual discontinuities in your system of understanding lie by asking you a few questions like a psychiatrist would. You may be able to reason from A to B but a troll may determine that you can only take a leap of faith from B to C and once the troll knows this he moves in to maneuver you to that point, get behind your back and push you off the cliff. Troll knows that there is no way you can prove your belief (that Dynaudio is good) and he also knows that you owe him nothing and if challenged to prove it you will simply walk away from the argument. This is why troll comes out and says “wow I thought Bose was bad but Dynaudio is the real garbage.”
Why trolls are hated? Because weak people care only about security. Weak people gladly trade their liberties for security. You would give up your freedom of speech just to make sure that I cannot tell you the truth about yourself. You know your beliefs are **** but you want to keep believing them because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think that you actually understand or know something when you really don’t. Furthermore a regular poster is defenseless against the troll. Troll will go through your system of beliefs like a chainsaw through butter. You know this and that is why as soon as you realize there is a troll on the forum you start crying and begging for help.
How trolls are fought? The usual technique is for somebody who wants to appear wise to come out and say “don’t feed the trolls. If you don’t feed him he will go away.” This does not work. The reason it doesn’t is because everybody else would love to see your guts smeared all over the ceiling when the troll is done with you. You also know this and it pisses you off to no end to see others pretending to try to help you but in actuality fueling the fire in which you are burning.
Why trolls are needed? Because without one a forum goes stale. Elite cliques form from people who tacitly agree to publicly call each other experts and never disagree with each other except jokingly. A set of beliefs is chosen to become “common knowledge” even though it is actually total bull****. Anybody who disagrees with the official bull**** is collectively driven off the board. Eventually the board is nothing but incessant patting of each other on the back for fictional accomplishments and for great “wisdom” where wisdom is measured in adherence to the unfounded beliefs held collectively by the board. For example if the board decides that the earth is flat you would be called wise every time you say the earth is flat and if you were to say it is round everybody would be on your ass until you left. This situation cannot arise on a forum with effective trolling because trolls actively seek out such delusions and attack them mercilessly. Once a forum successfully gets rid of its last troll (by banning him) that forum is doomed. Like a nation without dissidents a forum without trolls will enter a period of stagnation and decay. Other nations will remain innovative, continue to develop and eventually stomp all over the ******.
Trolling is active discussion. It may be heresy but it’s much better than inquisition. Trolling should not be fought, it should be properly addressed.
How can trolling be properly addressed? The only good way of dealing with trolling is to subdivide the forum into sections. For example a troll may be highly political and simply by avoiding the “politics” subforum you will spare yourself much of the aggravation of dealing with him. Likewise a troll may believe that only idiots use vacuum tube amplifiers so if you have a “vacuum tube amplifiers” subforum it will most likely be too boring for the troll to bother visiting it so you can sit there all day and discuss shiny tubes with other like-minded individuals while the troll is bashing unsuspecting noobs in general discussion area.
Trolls are an important element of every great forum just like healthy political opposition (im not talking about 2 party system here, but real opposition) is essential for any great nation. Dissidents such as constitutionalists will get called “anarchists” by fox news but these “anarchists” are the only thing that stands between us and fascism. When fox news calls you an anarchist you should be proud and just the same I am proud of being a troll.
Madness? this is Spartaaaaa !!!
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i can probably get flip flops that don't weigh much more than covers and will be way more comfortable plus won't be wearing out expensive shoes.
plus it would probably be pretty easy to injure my ankles walking a long distance on those covers.
plus it would probably be pretty easy to injure my ankles walking a long distance on those covers.
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Wrong on all counts moron.
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on the other hand i don't know much about bikes - if i did, there would be a section about bikes on my own site.
that means i can't really troll this board. as i wrote in that article i was called a troll before i became one. there is an angle to my personality that makes me come off as one even when i am not. on this board i am not.
also biking is not so central to my life that i should expect to EVER gain enough knowledge of it to be an effective troll in the field.
i just need to understand certain things within my own framework of thinking rather than accept the answers i get which don't make sense to me.
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Don't forget, he has more power output than a TdF pro, he will tear any cleat to bits, twist into a knot any pedal spindle or crank, and wear any shoe out because he is too powerful for any mortal-made shoes to contain.
03-27-10, 01:06 AM
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my site mostly covers politics and audio systems. those are the subjects in which i am knowledgeable enough to effectively troll other forums.
on the other hand i don't know much about bikes - if i did, there would be a section about bikes on my own site.
that means i can't really troll this board. as i wrote in that article i was called a troll before i became one. there is an angle to my personality that makes me come off as one even when i am not. on this board i am not.
also biking is not so central to my life that i should expect to EVER gain enough knowledge of it to be an effective troll in the field.
i just need to understand certain things within my own framework of thinking rather than accept the answers i get which don't make sense to me.
on the other hand i don't know much about bikes - if i did, there would be a section about bikes on my own site.
that means i can't really troll this board. as i wrote in that article i was called a troll before i became one. there is an angle to my personality that makes me come off as one even when i am not. on this board i am not.
also biking is not so central to my life that i should expect to EVER gain enough knowledge of it to be an effective troll in the field.
i just need to understand certain things within my own framework of thinking rather than accept the answers i get which don't make sense to me.
Hint: trolling has zilch to do with how much you know about a subject...I'd think an self-proclaimed internet expert and troll would at least know what a troll is. You are the weakest link, goodbye.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Trolls definitely have longer life expectancies. They just constantly laugh there way through threads feeding off people taking them so seriously.
I definitley added a few years to my life with my thread...
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Real-Mans-Bike
I say long live the Troll.
I definitley added a few years to my life with my thread...
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Real-Mans-Bike
I say long live the Troll.
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Cleat covers are the way to go, and 2 years later I am sure that the OP has bought them.
I have however beeen dithering for years.
I have SPD cleats and am wondering whether to get SHIMANO SM-SH71 (which rotates a little), the Shimano SM-SH70 (which does not rotat), or the PD-7410 SPD Cleat Pontoon, which will not fit my SH5X cleats unless I take an angle grinder to them. The are not cheap for what they are, and I am not sure that they'll work with my shoes pedals PD-A530 but I am sick of walking on cleats and will slip painfully soon. Ordered.
Recieved. Alas, the pontooned cleats do not work with PD-A530, beware.
I have however beeen dithering for years.
I have SPD cleats and am wondering whether to get SHIMANO SM-SH71 (which rotates a little), the Shimano SM-SH70 (which does not rotat), or the PD-7410 SPD Cleat Pontoon, which will not fit my SH5X cleats unless I take an angle grinder to them. The are not cheap for what they are, and I am not sure that they'll work with my shoes pedals PD-A530 but I am sick of walking on cleats and will slip painfully soon. Ordered.
Recieved. Alas, the pontooned cleats do not work with PD-A530, beware.
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This is an OLD thread created by somebody who was subsequently banned.
Reconsider any idea of contributing to it. Let it die.
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Thanks for the heads up.
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