it's time to change this "tradition"...
#26
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I have a police siren on my bike... that sure gets their attention... 140 dB...
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Originally Posted by mark48310
are you kiddin me? i have a 100% elementary-school-girlie-bike-sounding bell on my mountain bike...not one of those conservative one-ding incredibells, but the full-blown briiing-a-ringa-ringa-watch-out-we're-late-for-a-holly-hobbie-tea-party bells...no fear here, sister! the dorkier the better is my philosophy... but i can't find one that'll fit the handlebars on my road bike...and i'm too damn lazy to figure out a way to rig it up otherwise...
#29
I can't find my pants

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Originally Posted by wabbit
I find that most people (except for cyclists of course) don't respond to 'on your left' because it means nothing to them. So on bike paths if i'm passing joggers, etc, I say EXCUSE ME. Everyone knows what excuse me means. O course, if they're plugged in to their stupid walkman, tough **** if they can't hear me. Sometimes I just snap my fingers in their face- so rude! But too bad.
On the greenway that I ride, there are big signs posted at every trailhead with the rules. You can't miss them. One of the rules says to call out "on your left" when passing. I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but it's plainly marked here.
So the people I'm dealing with are either illiterate or dense.
#30
Ride the Road

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Bells work great and are polite. If you can't fit a bell on your bike, I think you should stay off of multi-use paths. I found one that has screws on both sides. To get them to fit my dopped handlebars, I had to buy longer screws at the hardware store, but now the bell fits just fine.
I've also had luck by saying "I'm on your left" or "I'm passing on your left." All these take time and require you to slow down, but those are just disadvantages of using a multi-use path.
I've also had luck by saying "I'm on your left" or "I'm passing on your left." All these take time and require you to slow down, but those are just disadvantages of using a multi-use path.
#31
I've found it best to eliminate all confusion, so I shout, "Bicycle passing on your left" to make sure they know I'm coming up faster than another pedestrian. When I'm passing a bike, a "On your left" suffices, assuming they'll understand that a jogger ain't about to pass them!
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
Ring bell, wait for them to make a hole wherever, use hole. This requires a bit more time, but you never guess if you wait for them to make the move first. Don't blame the pedestrians; they have the right of way and there are no rules of the road that apply to them. I generally stay off paths because the safe speed is too low.
Al
#33
Tar is not a toy.

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I don't get it either... I say on your left when skiing, biking, running ect. What gets me is when they shoot you a look or say something like you are an out of control freak. I have started passing people as if I'm in a car. Slow down to their speed, pick a safe opportunity, announce "ON YOUR LEFT" and get around them quickly and safely as possible. It stinks! What else can you do?
Be safe.
Be safe.
#34
As both a a frequent walker and bicycler, the very worst thing is when the biker gives absolutely no warning at all. This happens quite regularly. A road bike in particular is the ultimate stealth weapon, and it "jolts" me everytime one comes whizzing by with no warning as I walk.
That biker is making some assumptions about me that may be entirely invalid. He is assuming I am going to keep going in a straight line - that I won't step to my left to avoid a pile of dog poo on the walkway, for example.
He is assuming I am a rational being, and won't turn around to go the opposite way without looking back.
I think NOT giving a warning of some sort is a sign of an incompetent bicycler, yet it happens a lot.
About 50% of the walkers to whom I give a warning say thanks or wave their hand in thanks, which gives some sort of a clue about how many times they are passed without a warning!
Aslo, I have learned to always signal ANY turn when cycling, as I have been surprised a number of times when there was a stealth bicycler directly behind me about whom I had no clue, and who may be overtaking me or just following real close.
That biker is making some assumptions about me that may be entirely invalid. He is assuming I am going to keep going in a straight line - that I won't step to my left to avoid a pile of dog poo on the walkway, for example.
He is assuming I am a rational being, and won't turn around to go the opposite way without looking back.
I think NOT giving a warning of some sort is a sign of an incompetent bicycler, yet it happens a lot.
About 50% of the walkers to whom I give a warning say thanks or wave their hand in thanks, which gives some sort of a clue about how many times they are passed without a warning!
Aslo, I have learned to always signal ANY turn when cycling, as I have been surprised a number of times when there was a stealth bicycler directly behind me about whom I had no clue, and who may be overtaking me or just following real close.
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#35
Originally Posted by outdoorboy
I wish someone would make the equivalent of deer whistles for your bike.
I got weirded out on Sunday. I was coming up onto a Dad and Son riding down the street. I yelled the OYL and the dad stayed his line. The kid just started going picasso with his line. At this point I slowed down. The dad yelled at him, kid jumped the curb and went to the sidewalk. I started to pass them, as I passed I looked and said thanks, but then the Dad order the son to apologize. At that point in the back of my head "okay now this is not how it should go".
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Originally Posted by velogirl
Get over your fear of having a bell on your bike. It works.
I prefer lungs & vocal cords.
#38
Originally Posted by mark48310
this whole "on your left" thing seems to work nicely USUALLY as far as other bikers are concerned. but for the general public,
A bike bell works the best although nothing is a sure bet. Many people do not hear you say "on your left" as they are wearing headphones, bad hearing, or you are too far away. Or people don't understand right from left sometimes. Most times when I walk on a multiuse trail, the bikes will yell on your left about ONE SECOND before passing. The worse offenders are fashion roadies who watch their cyclometers instead of the scenery.
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I heard one the other day that sounded like a fog horn from a ship. Loud and jarring, but not expected on a Multi Use Path, so how does one react when hearing it?
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#41
ODB to those that know me

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Face it folks, nothing works 100%. People get distracted and into the scenery, their music or conversation with someone they are walking/running with. Sometimes they are just digging deep like we do sometimes when we suddenly come up on a stop light or stop sign. Yelling and making noise will often just startle someone enough to make them jump right in your path. I know how I feel when a car comes up quietly behind me and honks.
The best thing I've found is to call out as early as possible so you have time at a second chance before you come up on them. Then give them as wide a path as possible. I always say thanks when they move. The last thing i want to see is a wlker going to the city council to complain about being "buzzed" by cyclists.
Compare this thread to one of the many about how the motorist don't respect our right to be on the road and you'll realize their are two sides (sometimes more) to every complaint.
Just my two cents. Now play nice.
The best thing I've found is to call out as early as possible so you have time at a second chance before you come up on them. Then give them as wide a path as possible. I always say thanks when they move. The last thing i want to see is a wlker going to the city council to complain about being "buzzed" by cyclists.
Compare this thread to one of the many about how the motorist don't respect our right to be on the road and you'll realize their are two sides (sometimes more) to every complaint.
Just my two cents. Now play nice.
#42
. . . rosebud . . .

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Yeah, "On your left" doesn't often work for me on MUTs. Basically the way I see it, MUTs are only for bikes if you're going 3mph or less. Otherwise it's a hassle.
And those freakin' dog leashes that are a mile long, ugh. But then hey, I can use a road more easily than a ped can, so I guess they get the right of way.
I hate that little jig peds do when you announce you're passing! Ha it's funny. My dad jumps around all over the freakin' place if we're walking a trail together and it's ME that says a bike's coming. He's 63 or something and he's just jumping all over the place, you'd think I yelled, "Incoming!" or something, jeeze!
And those freakin' dog leashes that are a mile long, ugh. But then hey, I can use a road more easily than a ped can, so I guess they get the right of way.
I hate that little jig peds do when you announce you're passing! Ha it's funny. My dad jumps around all over the freakin' place if we're walking a trail together and it's ME that says a bike's coming. He's 63 or something and he's just jumping all over the place, you'd think I yelled, "Incoming!" or something, jeeze!
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. . . rosebud . . .

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Yeah, I believe you. I think you're as old as you want to be, to some extent. My pop decided he wanted to be the oldest man in the world as soon as he turned 50, it drives me nuts.
I'm 33 and I ran a half marathon last year, and a 72 year old guy beat me by like 15 minutes.
I'm 33 and I ran a half marathon last year, and a 72 year old guy beat me by like 15 minutes.
#45
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Originally Posted by velogirl
Get over your fear of having a bell on your bike. It works.
I've got a very loud bell on all my bikes. They work instantly, with the desired effect. Nobody has to interpret anything. No translation necessary.
People start moving to the right instinctively before the bell has stopped resonating.
To me, ringing the bell is like hitting the <enter> key. Puts you on a brand new line.
#46
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Originally Posted by snowy
I'm gonna have to say that I agreed with this thread. I started to laugh when I read this. Its soooo true. People I think are amazed that someone else may be on the trail besides them and they just don't know their right from their left. Oh well it makes for a few good laughs. 

Stuart Black
#47
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I use these:
https://sptimes.com/2004/02/14/Busine...oy_story.shtml
Take the time to read the article, too. This guy's certainly got an optimistic view about how successful his toy's going to be.
https://sptimes.com/2004/02/14/Busine...oy_story.shtml
Take the time to read the article, too. This guy's certainly got an optimistic view about how successful his toy's going to be.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Four pedestrians, one path, one "on your left" and 7 different directions. If they would have had dogs with them, I think they would still be there, tied in a Gordian knot!
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I had no idea what to do. Decided to have a little fun with this one.
I pull up slowly and about 10 yards away announce that I'm passing. But which side? Mua ha ha. They scatter in every direction in utter confusion. At this point, I'm only going fast enough to stay upright and watch from about 7 yards away, on the brink of laughter. As soon as they regroup and pick which way to move aside, I slowly pass them and nod as I say, "Thanks."
My motive for doing this was that they clearly did not read the sign at the trailhead that plainly stated, "All traffic keep to the right."
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Originally Posted by mirona
I got one like this last month. 6 foot wide path. 7 pedestrians: 4 adults, 1 toddler, 1 baby in stroller, 1 dog (ped?). 2 adults + stroller on left. 1 toddler in the middle. 2 adults + 1 dog on right. If you can make an equation out of that, I can tell you already that it = a mess.
I had no idea what to do. Decided to have a little fun with this one.
I pull up slowly and about 10 yards away announce that I'm passing. But which side? Mua ha ha. They scatter in every direction in utter confusion. At this point, I'm only going fast enough to stay upright and watch from about 7 yards away, on the brink of laughter. As soon as they regroup and pick which way to move aside, I slowly pass them and nod as I say, "Thanks."
My motive for doing this was that they clearly did not read the sign at the trailhead that plainly stated, "All traffic keep to the right."
I had no idea what to do. Decided to have a little fun with this one.
I pull up slowly and about 10 yards away announce that I'm passing. But which side? Mua ha ha. They scatter in every direction in utter confusion. At this point, I'm only going fast enough to stay upright and watch from about 7 yards away, on the brink of laughter. As soon as they regroup and pick which way to move aside, I slowly pass them and nod as I say, "Thanks."
My motive for doing this was that they clearly did not read the sign at the trailhead that plainly stated, "All traffic keep to the right."
That said it would be nice if peds and other cyclists better knew and followed the guidelines of a MUP, but glaring, snide comments, etc. isn't going to develop that.
Al




