what do these stop sign things look like you all speak of**********?

later.

I, like everone else here, have made msitakes. There is a difference between a mistake and a practice. I slow down enough that 1. I can stop if I need to. 2. I can confirm it's clear to roll through. If Kimber would have written me up for that one I would have accepted it ... And made psyco buy me beers for a month.

Kimbercop: Now you have several BF members who have admitted their guilt and I think they should be made accountable for their actions to the full extent of the law! They should be the first to be ticketed for their unsafe actions!

An admission alone is not enough in court. He needs corroboration to make it stick!

On the advice of my lawyer, I'm not saying anything else!

C'mon now! You know you want to be the internet advice giving law-talkin'-guy to the Great Lakes!

I demand justice!!!!!!!

I only run the red ones with the white trim

As if . . .

It seems like you don't really want to ticket them, so what about pulling some of them over and just explaining how they are endangering themselves and just giving a warning?

Can you blame me? Someone had to do it!

That last one seems to violate NHTSA regulations for traffic sineage in at least two ways.

Kimbercop,
Stop them, explain why you stopped them. Then tell them you could write them a ticket, but won't...this time. Then lean down, remove the valve cap, look them straight in the eye as you let out all the air, and say something like "and it's really not safe for you to be riding around on a flat tire." Any crap from them, and it's "oh look, it appears your other tire is about to go flat, too" as you reach down and decide whether to follow through or not.

Enough of this librul wussy talk..KICK THEIR ASSES!

Instead of this constant begging for cyclists to be "accepted" by drivers and getting all in a huff when cyclists do things you feel will make this acceptance hard to win, why not just work for a world where cyclists *always* have the right of way and it is the drivers of multi-ton pollution mobiles responsibility to slow/stop to avoid hitting the more responsible travelers in our cities (bikes, pedestrians)?

Who let the Left Coast in the room?

Kimber - are you clocking their speed flying down the hill? You could get a "two-fer"!

Who here is begging, chief?

And, maybe we don't all do that because maybe we don't all share your world view. And, maybe, that's because some of us make a living that requires us to cover huge distances by car, several times a week, and our jobs could not be performed any other way. Like cops, for example.

And, I hate to tell you, as long as more than one person is already out on the road, somebody will always be in a position where they will have to yield the right-of-way. Even if cars did not exist, Kimbecop would have nearly smoked a cyclist or two flying around the corner. He just would have done it on his trike, or whatever other wonderful pedal machine your rosy world view would have cops pedaling as fast as they can to emergencies.

I think the issue you seemed to miss in the original post is that the cyclists at that intersection are not "more responsible" travelers. It has nothing to do with what Kimbercop was in. Drillrods are drillrods if they're on bikes, in submarines, walking, or in a submarine (and, yes, I'm admitting to having been a drillrod on occassion).

I drive a car all day long for work, too. I just have no problem yielding right of way to bikes and pedestrians whether they stop at stop signs or not.

I just thought maybe that instead of trying to get cars to let bikes play on "their roads", we could transition to a society where the vehicle that is the smallest and doing the least environmental damage and carries the least potential for harming other people (these two concerns are what i meant by "responsible"), has priority at all times. That means pedestrians first, then skaters, then bikes, etc. on up to cars. When in our cars we can just slow down and let those folks rule the road.

That makes at least as much sense as giving in to the idea that cars rule and the only hope we have is to play by their rules so they let us play on their roads.

Well, in Chicago, the cops just get drunk and run over cyclists.

Write the tickets. Cyclists need to follow the rules just like drivers do.

I vote for making them ride back up the hill, then walking their bike down, being sure to stop at the signs.

2nd violation, same thing except naked.

Actually, when they run a stop sign and I must emergency brake to avoid them, I'n not yielding right of way, I'm just doing my best to avoid an accident. They do not have the right of way I do because I had no stop sign at that intersection. They must stop then proceed when the right of way traffic (me) has cleared. They had no right of way by simply being on bikes.

And cars do rule when they're on the road, at least over bikes. Trucks rule cars, bigger trucks rule smaller trucks, trains rule everything.. Its called kinetic energy and I see what it does to the human body far more often then most since I'm one of the guys who goes to all fatal and extremely serious accidents for the reconstruction.

This post wasnt really about whether bikes belong on the road or not, it was just my rant about some blatant violations that have nearly lead to some accidents, and my frustration with those who feel that by simply being on a bike, the rest of the motoring public must bow down to them.

Wow. Was wondering how long this thread would take to turn anti-cop, lasted longer than I expected it too.

FYI, 13,000 cops in Chicago, bound to be a few problem children within a group that size.

Dude... You said submarine twice. I can no longer trust anything you post due to this horrible error.

You're just bitter because you haven't been riding as much. Admit it...you're jealous of those guys bombing that corner...

btw - find some time for a ride this weekend....want to head to Morton with the families?

Not that I don't appreciate the CPD and the insane pressure they are under every day, but one of the things I despised most was watching them blow through stop signs without even slowing down (lights off). Add to that the multitude of times I've witnessed them turning on their lights in order to run red lights, just to see them turn off the lights and slow back down once through the intersection. It happened so regularly I came to expect it and make sure there were no squad cars coming at a four-way stop before I crossed.

If there's a reason for it, I am okay, but when they do it all the time it makes me wonder why the rest of Chicago traffic is so insane when it comes to running reds, etc.

Cops and lawyers, man. If it wasn't for you or for us, the world would be perfect.

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