Bias information?
05-06-03, 11:30 AM
#26
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Wheat Ridge, CO
Posts: 305
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
A few various points:
Anyone who thinks that their FSR doesn't bob is eithe rkidding themselves or is running so much preload that they aren't getting full travel. I've ridden and AMP b4 and B5, both predecessors to the FSR, as well as an FSR. They bob, that's why Specialized put a lockout on the back end.
The NRS is a great bike. Sure, it is pretty stiff, but definitely not like a hardtail. I rode and raced a 2001 and a 2002 NRS air, and I count it among the best bikes I have ridden. Quite raceable, but also quite a decent bike for all day epic singletrack rides. The suspension, when set up proberly, reacted well to trail input, but climbed like a hardtail. The SID never gave me any problems. IMO, anyone who is shopping for a full suspension and rejects the NRS without trying it is selling themselves short. I do wonder how the new generation of SPV shocks will affect this design.
I currenty ride a Santa Cruz Blur. It is not a 4 bar design. VPP is something different from the rocker arm 4 bar that (rightly so) has become (thanks to Horst Leitner of AMP) one of the accepted currencies of dual suspension design.
Anyone who thinks that their FSR doesn't bob is eithe rkidding themselves or is running so much preload that they aren't getting full travel. I've ridden and AMP b4 and B5, both predecessors to the FSR, as well as an FSR. They bob, that's why Specialized put a lockout on the back end.
The NRS is a great bike. Sure, it is pretty stiff, but definitely not like a hardtail. I rode and raced a 2001 and a 2002 NRS air, and I count it among the best bikes I have ridden. Quite raceable, but also quite a decent bike for all day epic singletrack rides. The suspension, when set up proberly, reacted well to trail input, but climbed like a hardtail. The SID never gave me any problems. IMO, anyone who is shopping for a full suspension and rejects the NRS without trying it is selling themselves short. I do wonder how the new generation of SPV shocks will affect this design.
I currenty ride a Santa Cruz Blur. It is not a 4 bar design. VPP is something different from the rocker arm 4 bar that (rightly so) has become (thanks to Horst Leitner of AMP) one of the accepted currencies of dual suspension design.
05-06-03, 11:33 AM
#27
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Wheat Ridge, CO
Posts: 305
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally posted by firebolt
I'd like to hear what the NRS camp has to say about their bikes.
Now, in the NRS, does the pedalling action really lock the shock to the point where the shock is useless? I would imagine that if you hammer it up-and-down, it would significantly lock the shock (which I think is good most of the time). If you pedal smoothly, I would think that the locking action is negligible and the suspension would still be able to freely absorb bumps as good as any other FS bikes.
I'd like to hear what the NRS camp has to say about their bikes.
Now, in the NRS, does the pedalling action really lock the shock to the point where the shock is useless? I would imagine that if you hammer it up-and-down, it would significantly lock the shock (which I think is good most of the time). If you pedal smoothly, I would think that the locking action is negligible and the suspension would still be able to freely absorb bumps as good as any other FS bikes.
I didn't even have to work at pedalling particularly smoothly.
I have heard some NRS owners complaining of poor suspension performance, and everyone of them admitted that they either din't read the manual, or ignored its advice. 50 psi in the negative chamber (no more, no less) Rider weight plus 10-20 pounds in the positive chamber.
05-06-03, 12:00 PM
#28
I drink your MILKSHAKE
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Posts: 15,061
Bikes: 2003 Specialized Rockhopper FSR Comp, 1999 Specialized Hardrock Comp FS, 1971 Schwinn Varsity
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Originally posted by Singlespeedster
A few various points:
Anyone who thinks that their FSR doesn't bob is either kidding themselves or is running so much preload that they aren't getting full travel. I've ridden and AMP b4 and B5, both predecessors to the FSR, as well as an FSR. They bob, that's why Specialized put a lockout on the back end.
....snip......
A few various points:
Anyone who thinks that their FSR doesn't bob is either kidding themselves or is running so much preload that they aren't getting full travel. I've ridden and AMP b4 and B5, both predecessors to the FSR, as well as an FSR. They bob, that's why Specialized put a lockout on the back end.
....snip......
__________________
05-06-03, 12:15 PM
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Wheat Ridge, CO
Posts: 305
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally posted by Raiyn
The lockout is for out-of-seat climbing. As for FSR's bobbing you obviously need to work on your spin because they don't bob during seated pedaling when set up correctly. Borrowing your buddies bike that's set for him doesn't a true experience make.
The lockout is for out-of-seat climbing. As for FSR's bobbing you obviously need to work on your spin because they don't bob during seated pedaling when set up correctly. Borrowing your buddies bike that's set for him doesn't a true experience make.
I rode MY FSR.
They bob.
Hence, EPIC.
Now I will agree that the bob is certainly not detrimental, and that the FSR is one of the better designs out there.
But to claim that it doesn't bob is a bit beyond the pale.
A
05-06-03, 12:41 PM
#30
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Parrish, FL
Posts: 7,963
Bikes: Lots
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Without this degrading into a FSR v. NRS. The issue I have with the Giant is (as mentioned by Dil) that the NRS is essentially a lightweight XC bike, although a good choice for all day epic rides. My personal issue is that in order to achieve the designed performance, you "Must" use an air shock. Being a clydesdale, I tend to stay away from "air" shocks.
If you're under 200 lbs, try both types. If over 200 lbs(heck, I'll, stretch that to 225), I recommend avoiding the NRS.
L8R
If you're under 200 lbs, try both types. If over 200 lbs(heck, I'll, stretch that to 225), I recommend avoiding the NRS.
L8R
__________________
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW, What a Ride!" - unknown
"Your Bike Sucks" - Sky Yaeger
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW, What a Ride!" - unknown
"Your Bike Sucks" - Sky Yaeger
05-06-03, 12:54 PM
#31
I drink your MILKSHAKE
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Posts: 15,061
Bikes: 2003 Specialized Rockhopper FSR Comp, 1999 Specialized Hardrock Comp FS, 1971 Schwinn Varsity
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Originally posted by a2psyklnut
Without this degrading into a FSR v. NRS. The issue I have with the Giant is (as mentioned by Dil) that the NRS is essentially a lightweight XC bike, although a good choice for all day epic rides. My personal issue is that in order to achieve the designed performance, you "Must" use an air shock. Being a clydesdale, I tend to stay away from "air" shocks.
If you're under 200 lbs, try both types. If over 200 lbs(heck, I'll, stretch that to 225), I recommend avoiding the NRS.
L8R
Without this degrading into a FSR v. NRS. The issue I have with the Giant is (as mentioned by Dil) that the NRS is essentially a lightweight XC bike, although a good choice for all day epic rides. My personal issue is that in order to achieve the designed performance, you "Must" use an air shock. Being a clydesdale, I tend to stay away from "air" shocks.
If you're under 200 lbs, try both types. If over 200 lbs(heck, I'll, stretch that to 225), I recommend avoiding the NRS.
L8R
__________________
