What needs improvment most?
#27
Malestrom, just wandering why the hate on single pivots. I know, different strokes for different folks, fill me in.
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Don't hate them. They play a part. I just think the dismissal of FSR is ass backwards. FSR imo is a good mid range type of suspension. decent pedal, not toooo expensive, not much in the way of brake jack etc...In the case of both ironhorse and specialized they have chosen to dismiss fsr and replace with more complicated systems which = signifiganlty more money OR single pivot options with some extras (brake therapy)
I don't like the feel of single pivots I have tried in my range of riding (bullits for example)...they felt like crap.Now I will give the ironhorse ones a chance, don't get me wrong...I just feel like they are dismissing reasonable technology for sub par technology and replacing the reasonable with very expensive. No journeyman left in the sport
I don't like the feel of single pivots I have tried in my range of riding (bullits for example)...they felt like crap.Now I will give the ironhorse ones a chance, don't get me wrong...I just feel like they are dismissing reasonable technology for sub par technology and replacing the reasonable with very expensive. No journeyman left in the sport
#29
I like my single, but I see the brake jack thing. I also like the Stinky. Your point on the cost of technology is dead on, it's like the cost of riding will keep some riders off the trails . Most of us work for a living.
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Even with Stinky's there's a reasonable amount of Brake Jack while doing DH it is quite noticeable. Kona's getting better at lowering it's effect, but with a suspension system which is almost unchanged and 12 years old there's got to be a bit of play. Look at there Stab Primo or Supreme, one of them has a floating disc brake.
Just out of curiosity, how much better is it with a floating disc brake say on a long travel single pivot like an Orange 223?
Just out of curiosity, how much better is it with a floating disc brake say on a long travel single pivot like an Orange 223?
#33
2 things
1: i would like to see a light puncture proof tire/tube. Not haveing to every worry about changing tubes. I know a lot of people say stans but ive heard tubeless with stans is just as heavy as a slime filled tube with tuffy tire liners. I dont like having to change tubes on the trail.
2: This might sound like a big newbie question but what is brake jack exactly? And how does it happen.
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1: i would like to see a light puncture proof tire/tube. Not haveing to every worry about changing tubes. I know a lot of people say stans but ive heard tubeless with stans is just as heavy as a slime filled tube with tuffy tire liners. I dont like having to change tubes on the trail.
2: This might sound like a big newbie question but what is brake jack exactly? And how does it happen.
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brake jack/squat. On most suspension it occurs when you lock the brakes (this is especially felt on single pivot systems) Lock the brake the suspension locks into a position (it either squats, compressed, or jacks, extends) and stops the suspension from being active (temporary hardtail)....
Thats the basics. Whether it squats or jacks depends on pivot positions and basic design.
Thats the basics. Whether it squats or jacks depends on pivot positions and basic design.
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Improvement, Flat bars with more sweep, just because the bar is flat doesnt mean it has to be dead straight!! Damn stupid formerly broken wrist!!
That and bar mounted lights that dont shine into your cables... man is that annoying!! (did you hear that Night Rider??)
Oh, and a little dohickey that stops time, except for you of course, that way you can ride an epic every day, in no time flat.
That and bar mounted lights that dont shine into your cables... man is that annoying!! (did you hear that Night Rider??)
Oh, and a little dohickey that stops time, except for you of course, that way you can ride an epic every day, in no time flat.
#38
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As A2 said, i would improve bearings in pivots and bb.
Another area that i would definately put my effort to is FEA of the frame...cmon i want a frame that is meant to last heaven and hell,
in simple words, simple,reliable and bombproof.
Trek 77 is doing some serious job in improving the pivots (or at least it looks like it)
Trek and Kingfisher are doing a good job at having 1.5HT and Replaceable dropouts
Banshee are doing a great job in having a strong frame (i dont care about weight)
Nicolai is doing a great job in having the option of fitting different i2i shocks in the same frame (Helius ST)
I would combine all of the above and the result would be my optimal/ideal bike...
Yannis
Another area that i would definately put my effort to is FEA of the frame...cmon i want a frame that is meant to last heaven and hell,
in simple words, simple,reliable and bombproof.
Trek 77 is doing some serious job in improving the pivots (or at least it looks like it)
Trek and Kingfisher are doing a good job at having 1.5HT and Replaceable dropouts
Banshee are doing a great job in having a strong frame (i dont care about weight)
Nicolai is doing a great job in having the option of fitting different i2i shocks in the same frame (Helius ST)
I would combine all of the above and the result would be my optimal/ideal bike...
Yannis
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
.In the case of both ironhorse and specialized they have chosen to dismiss fsr and replace with more complicated systems which = signifiganlty more money OR single pivot options with some extras (brake therapy)
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Yeah I guess I mean the bighit...not fsr. Considering the demo is still fsr (with some excess cash). And even then specialized still has 3 bighits (at least in australia), I just have a gut feeling the bighit is a dying beast.
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
And even then specialized still has 3 bighits (at least in australia), I just have a gut feeling the bighit is a dying beast.
If the bighit does die it will be the end of an era. They were great bikes and I have really missed mine ever since it was stolen.
#42
I Just thought of another thing i would improve the other day. Universal disc brake pads. The amount of different pads out there is just ludicrous. It would also lower the prices to LESS than a car's brake pads unlike the situation at the moment. (Well at least it is here)
#43
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imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.
better frame material, the lightness and stiffness of aluminium with teh strength of steel.
better frame designs, i.e VPP (virtual pivot point, like the intense m3 and santa cruz v11,v10 and vpfree)
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.
better frame material, the lightness and stiffness of aluminium with teh strength of steel.
better frame designs, i.e VPP (virtual pivot point, like the intense m3 and santa cruz v11,v10 and vpfree)
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Originally Posted by naz
imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.
Check out Hope, UK based company.
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Originally Posted by naz
imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.

Hope and standard hadley have half of what king have which is pretty amazing as well.
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i want to see more awesome hubs. you know, big, fat, smooth, stout, sealed-bearing get-ups. i think the shimano cassette killed bullseye, nukeproof, and white industries. only phil and chris king wanted to pay license fees it seems.
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Originally Posted by notfred
Someone needs to design an unbendable rear derailleur hangar.
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