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Old 07-14-06, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by paednoch
however Levi is a wheel sucking leach who did NO WORK for the other riders today. he is a scum sucking leach who freeloaded off Landis Today. Landis went out of his way not to mention Levi in is post race interviews.
First of all just to bring down the level of intelligence that seems to have already been lacking in the above quoted post it would be "leech" not "leach". As for Levi being "scum sucking" and a freeloader, how much more off the mark can you get, you must have only watched the last 5-7 km of the stage where Landis started taking pulls to tighten his lead on the yellow jersey due in part to the fact that he'd been sitting off the last while before. Not saying Landis didn't do his work just saying he did it at a different time. Levi played his tactics almost perfect in todays stage (except for his final corner exit, but whatever) and it's petty that a guy like you wants to try to take that away from him simply because you can't seem to pay attention to an entire stage. It was Rasmussen and Boogerd who did most of the work today and they deserve some major props, thumbs up to Menchov for dedicating the win to them.
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Originally Posted by paednoch
Nope Levi Is aiming for the podium but no way bluffing.....He was hurting yesterday and today he looked pretty good...however Levi is a wheel sucking leach who did NO WORK for the other riders today. he is a scum sucking leach who freeloaded off Landis Today. Landis went out of his way not to mention Levi in is post race interviews.
Wrong. Leipheimer attacked in the last climb. it was not his job to "lead" the top 5 group. He's not after GC at the moment...

I was anti-Leipheimer, but he made a very clever race yesterday...could become the trouble maker in the Alps, because if he goes off for a mountain stage, T-Mobile Phonak and CO will be forced to work to catch him...

Nice perspective, very nice...
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Originally Posted by OC Roadie
I haven't had a chance to see today's stage, just the OLN updates on their site. Was Horner supporting Evan's? Obviously, he wasn't there on the Pla-De-Beret, but did he pace him up the earlier climbs? Who else on Lotto can climb?
Who's Horner?

Sorry, but didn't see him in stage 11, Evans always looked totally his own.
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Originally Posted by lhbernhardt
Yes, I was going to say cycling is just like life. And while I was watching the stage, I was all set to admire Dessel as a real working-class hero, a team rider and one of he few guys yesterday with the guts to do some attacking on a stage where everyone was afraid to attack because of the final long descent, and it paid off big time for him.

But then when I saw that he wasn't going to cooperate with Mercado, I thought, "what are you doing?!" I had seen him beat Mercado in the uphill KOM sprints, so I guessed that he had become overconfident and greedy. So this greed actually made me turn against him, and I was pleased about (and I fully expected) Mercado winning the stage.

Well, at least the guy is honest. And we've seen that sometimes it doesn't pay to "give gifts," as Lance found when he let Pantani win that stage. But I think that situation was different.

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Originally Posted by Keith99
As I recall Lance was not too pleased about that.
That would be new...who says? OLN?
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
The raw number is not phenomenally high...

Phinney, LeMond, Hampsten, Armstrong, Hamilton, Zabriskie, Hincapie.... am I missing anyone here?

...but then again, your question was regarding the % of US riders winning against the complete number of US riders starting the Tour, right? That could be an interesting one....

21%
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Originally Posted by Laggard
A Postie rider in yellow carried water for Lance a couple years back. And that's a fact, Jack.
Victor Hugo Pena.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze
At the start of the Tour, they decided at the last minute that his TT position was not "legal", so he had to change, which cost him time. They seem to be picking on him for some reason.
....& that would be because it wasn't legal!......Geez, dunno what you seppo' s learn as junior racers, obviously not much about the rules. Any half competent junior will be able to tell you that your TT bars have to be on the same 'plain' as your seat......I'm staggered that Phonak thought they could get away with, perhaps they thought no-one would notice....what?...at TDF...who are they kiddin'....why do you think Floyd hasn't kicked up much of a fuss?...cos he knew it was illegal, thats why......you guys would probably think he was being 'picked on' if they weighed his bike & it came in at 6.6KG???
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Originally Posted by Laggard
But no one seriously believed Hincapie was a serious GC threat.

only about half those that inhabit this forum.......the other half have a clue
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Originally Posted by skinnyone
Anybody else think that Levi was bluffing the field yesterday by pretending to suffer in the climbs?..

yeah....most blokes pretend to be suffering after losing 6 minutes in the ITT.....you're hilarious
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Anyone know why Rabobank had Rassmussen pull first then Boogerd? I would have thought the other way around so the Chicken could get more KOM points.
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Kris Flatlander leach?

Kris Flatlander...I meant leach as is sucking the energy or to emty or drain. Sorta like this........ "living in canada is like living in a world leached of pleasure" Or "kris flatlander is the grammer police and apprears to be someone leached of all modesty".


Attacking is not the same as taking a pull at the front. No doubt Levi was trying to leach energy out of the other riders.
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Originally Posted by Dial_tone
No, that's all seven of them. I'm trying to think of the guys that haven't won though and I come up with about the same.

Bob Roll
Jonathon Vaughters
Fred Rodriguez (won a Giro stage)
Christian Van de Velde
Chris Horner
Ron Keifel (won a Giro stage)
Andy Bishop
Norman Alvis
Chann McRae
Aha, what about Julich, is he Australian?
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Originally Posted by adamastor
Aha, what about Julich, is he Australian?
Nope...he's not good enough to be an Oztralian
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
Nope...he's not good enough to be an Oztralian

Aaaaah, good ol' days with true Ozzie Phil Anderson. i miss him, snif... what's he up to? Commenting down under???

Have a nice day
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Originally Posted by adamastor
Aaaaah, good ol' days with true Ozzie Phil Anderson. i miss him, snif... what's he up to? Commenting down under???

Have a nice day
nope...he'll be at the tour....takes buses full of rich fat seppo's & makes them ride up ridiculous hills...mate of mine works for him doing daily 'logistics' etc...actually, I'm hoping for a 'gig' myself next year
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Originally Posted by adamastor
Aha, what about Julich, is he Australian?
No-he never was a stage winner.
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
The raw number is not phenomenally high...

Phinney, LeMond, Hampsten, Armstrong, Hamilton, Zabriskie, Hincapie.... am I missing anyone here?
Jeff Pierce.
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Originally Posted by meb
No-he never was a stage winner.
That was not the question. Out of the following list, Julich was obviously missing
Bob Roll
Jonathon Vaughters
Fred Rodriguez (won a Giro stage)
Christian Van de Velde
Chris Horner
Ron Keifel (won a Giro stage)
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Norman Alvis
Chann McRae
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Originally Posted by adamastor
That was not the question. Out of the following list, Julich was obviously missing
Bob Roll
Jonathon Vaughters
Fred Rodriguez (won a Giro stage)
Christian Van de Velde
Chris Horner
Ron Keifel (won a Giro stage)
Andy Bishop
Norman Alvis
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Yes it was. Take a look again-Dail_Tones' assertion was that he had the complete list of 7 American TDF winners, which he did.

He acknowledged he did not have the complete list of non-winners. As the answer was presented as an exception taken to Dial_tones’statement (rather than as a supplement of information), the exception has to be in contrast to his statement. As the only assertion Dial_Tone had on the table to which an exception could be take was the assertion of completeness of winners, that was the pending question.


If the answer was presented as these American Tour riders failed to win a stage:
ANDREU Frankie
BOYER Jonathan
BOYER Jonathan
BRADLEY Jeff
CARMICHAEL Chris
CARTER Mike
GREWAL Alexis
HEIDEN Eric
HORNER Christopher
JEMISON Marty
Julich, Bobby
KNICKMAN Roy
LIVINGSTON Kevin
PIERCE Jeff
SHAPIRO Doug
TRENTI Guido

The response would have been properly directed to the list of non-stage winners.
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Originally Posted by Allen H
It's gotta fry the French that Dessel lost the yellow today to Landis by exactly Floyd's time bonus, when Dessel diddled with Mercado the last 2 km yesterday; Dessel easily gave 3 or 4 times that time gap in the leadout to the finish yesterday.
Because that means an American wears the maillot jaune this Bastille Day.
Let me quote Mr. T:
"SHUT UP FOOL!"
The french are probably still disappointed that they didn't manage a stage win yesterday. And the world cup final thing too.
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Originally Posted by adamastor
Again, give me some source about this news. I have not seen anyone at Phonak commenting or complaining about this. Also the bike change DURING the TT was due to a technical problem. Lelangue, his teamboss, tsaid he lost probably 6 seconds in the bike change.

Other than that, very good race by Landis, who looks very very strong. But if Rasmussen and Boogerd stay in same shape, he might be in trouble with Menchov looking very good too.

Sastre and Evans unfortunately too short.
I am not sure what his teamboss said, but saying he lost only 6 seconds is insane. I just saw a picture of him standing on the road waiting for a bike, probably more than 6 seconds just for that.

Imagine you are crusing on your TT bike at 30mph. You have to slow down to 0 mph, get another bike, get clipped in, and get back up to 30mph. If you can do that in 6 seconds you are the man!! I doubt Floyd can go from 0 to 30 alone in 6 seconds, especially during a time trial. That would burn up a huge amount of energy.

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Originally Posted by meb
Yes it was. Take a look again-Dail_Tones' assertion was that he had the complete list of 7 American TDF winners, which he did.

He acknowledged he did not have the complete list of non-winners. As the answer was presented as an exception taken to Dial_tones’statement (rather than as a supplement of information), the exception has to be in contrast to his statement. As the only assertion Dial_Tone had on the table to which an exception could be take was the assertion of completeness of winners, that was the pending question.


If the answer was presented as these American Tour riders failed to win a stage:
ANDREU Frankie
BOYER Jonathan
BOYER Jonathan
BRADLEY Jeff
CARMICHAEL Chris
CARTER Mike
GREWAL Alexis
HEIDEN Eric
HORNER Christopher
JEMISON Marty
Julich, Bobby
KNICKMAN Roy
LIVINGSTON Kevin
PIERCE Jeff
SHAPIRO Doug
TRENTI Guido

The response would have been properly directed to the list of non-stage winners.
Great list. Some names I forgot and some I don't quite remember. One thing, was Trenti a *true* american?
Wasn't he born in Italy with one parent american, raised italian and it was easier to make the olympics as an american, so he went with that side of his heritage.
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Originally Posted by paednoch
Kris Flatlander...I meant leach as is sucking the energy or to emty or drain. Sorta like this........ "living in canada is like living in a world leached of pleasure" Or "kris flatlander is the grammer police and apprears to be someone leached of all modesty".


Attacking is not the same as taking a pull at the front. No doubt Levi was trying to leach energy out of the other riders.
Oh, well that's my mistake I guess. So you mean leach as in something along the lines of "I wish America was leached of all intolerant bigots who reinforce untrue stereotypes of neanderthals on the American people"?
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Doppelgangers spoiling the race! (Please ignore this ridiculous post. Thanks.)

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