Floyd: US Postal sold bikes to pay for doping - WSJ story
07-02-10, 11:23 PM
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07-02-10, 11:37 PM
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07-02-10, 11:48 PM
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Also from story,
"Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel, said in an interview that the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "
"Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel, said in an interview that the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "
07-03-10, 12:25 AM
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To me, ethical bloodsport (revenge, vengeance, reprisals, payback, comeupance, karma) is the most entertaining human drama of all. I want to see how far down the rabbit hole this thing goes. And just like Neo from The Matrix (I watched it the other night), I want to know the truth, no matter how mordant and pathetic.
07-03-10, 12:36 AM
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have fun defining cheating. altitude chambers? how bout multi vitamins? those could be considered performance enhancing. how about regulating sleeping and eating habits as well.
07-03-10, 01:20 AM
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The budget of the National Cancer Institute was $5 Billion in 2009.
The American Cancer Society claims to be the largest non-governmental provider of cancer research in the U.S., providing $130 million of grants last year.
The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Institute funded $150 million in research grants in the past two years.
Livestrong donated $37 million in 2009.
And -- though this may be difficult for some to believe -- there are other countries outside of the U.S. where cancer research is conducted.
Please note -- the $37 million figure cited above, from the Livestrong website, is nothing to sneeze at. We should just remember that Lance Armstrong did not invent cancer research, prevention and education as a cause, and he is far from the only leader of an organization devoted to its elimination. He has been a particularly strong example of what cancer survivors can achieve, but even if the work of Livestrong were to cease there would be other organizations left to carry on.
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07-03-10, 01:21 AM
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if lance came clean, it would not harm the rep. of livestrong. especially since these guys should not be ashamed of performance enhancing and we should not judge it. the fans are just a responsible as the sponsors as are the cyclist, coaches, directors, etc. performance enhancing has been going on since day one in sports, one way or another. floyd is just telling us what we already know, the only thing that remains entertaining are the details.
time to go to sleep in my altitude chamber.
time to go to sleep in my altitude chamber.
07-03-10, 02:20 AM
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What you believe seems rather trivial compared to the millions who derive support and inspiration from Livestrong. Get over yourself.
07-03-10, 02:22 AM
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Please note -- the $37 million figure cited above, from the Livestrong website, is nothing to sneeze at. We should just remember that Lance Armstrong did not invent cancer research, prevention and education as a cause, and he is far from the only leader of an organization devoted to its elimination. He has been a particularly strong example of what cancer survivors can achieve, but even if the work of Livestrong were to cease there would be other organizations left to carry on.
07-03-10, 03:11 AM
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Landis has no credibility whatsoever. But if he act as the catalyst that brings in the Feds, the whole pro code of silence about this crap will crumble like a stale Oreo. There will be so many former team mates and employees implicating Lance and Bruneeyl that the truth will finally be exposed in my view.
What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.
I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.
What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.
I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.
07-03-10, 03:37 AM
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So if his book says he didn't dope, but now he admits he did, can we get our money back on the book?
07-03-10, 03:53 AM
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So here's a stupid idea: Back when US Postal was sponsoring the team I remember seeing a US Postal bike signed by Lance and everything up for charity auction. Maybe that's what happened to the extra bikes and that's how they got on ebay? I thought it was kinda funny that the name of the charity was "America Dopes". I thought it was a marajuana legalization thing. I guess I was wrong.
07-03-10, 04:13 AM
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Here's a guy that spent every dime he had, had a relative commit suicide, and had his wife divorce him due to a lie. And now he's telling the truth?
Got it.
07-03-10, 04:16 AM
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hmmm. Is divorce and failed relationships really a litmus test for truth in cycling? hmmm
07-03-10, 04:17 AM
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No, not even close.
The budget of the National Cancer Institute was $5 Billion in 2009.
The American Cancer Society claims to be the largest non-governmental provider of cancer research in the U.S., providing $130 million of grants last year.
The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Institute funded $150 million in research grants in the past two years.
Livestrong donated $37 million in 2009.
And -- though this may be difficult for some to believe -- there are other countries outside of the U.S. where cancer research is conducted.
Please note -- the $37 million figure cited above, from the Livestrong website, is nothing to sneeze at. We should just remember that Lance Armstrong did not invent cancer research, prevention and education as a cause, and he is far from the only leader of an organization devoted to its elimination. He has been a particularly strong example of what cancer survivors can achieve, but even if the work of Livestrong were to cease there would be other organizations left to carry on.
The budget of the National Cancer Institute was $5 Billion in 2009.
The American Cancer Society claims to be the largest non-governmental provider of cancer research in the U.S., providing $130 million of grants last year.
The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Institute funded $150 million in research grants in the past two years.
Livestrong donated $37 million in 2009.
And -- though this may be difficult for some to believe -- there are other countries outside of the U.S. where cancer research is conducted.
Please note -- the $37 million figure cited above, from the Livestrong website, is nothing to sneeze at. We should just remember that Lance Armstrong did not invent cancer research, prevention and education as a cause, and he is far from the only leader of an organization devoted to its elimination. He has been a particularly strong example of what cancer survivors can achieve, but even if the work of Livestrong were to cease there would be other organizations left to carry on.
07-03-10, 05:51 AM
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So you believe he lied then when he said he wasn't doping AND that he's lying now when he says he did dope?
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07-03-10, 05:58 AM
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Armstrong different? Armstrong weighs 75 kilos at 5'9" and climbs like a dream despite carrying 14 kilos more than Contador, who's the same height. And no, I don't think Contador is clean either. Get with the program. Landis is a liar who got caught. Everyone else is just a liar.
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