A decade of dopers.........
10-11-12, 02:24 PM
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painting Armstrong as some kind of devil here is preposterous. He's just an exceptional athlete that played out this sordid game better than anybody else, with the complicity of the sport's governing body (and one might argue even top broadcasters and media who seemed to look the other way), as ALL of his competitors were also trying to do at the same time. And for that we want to burn the guy like a witch? Keep a little perspective here. While I agree with the USADA's actions, no matter how much it disappoints people, the vilification of Armstrong in some quarters is over the top in the context of the dirty sport he participated in during that era. If you want to vilify anybody, start with the UCI.
10-11-12, 02:27 PM
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^Actually, it's the lack of the comma that makes the joke funny. It shows how a writer who meant to say one thing ended up saying something totally different because they forgot the comma. If the hypothetical writer also chose not to capitalize the name of their uncle then it would look like they meant to write "jack off a horse" and that wouldn't be funny. The joke is the unintended mistake.
Oh and to the mods I think this still on the topic of doping (in writing not cycling but close enough) so it's on topic.
Oh and to the mods I think this still on the topic of doping (in writing not cycling but close enough) so it's on topic.
10-11-12, 02:30 PM
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Keep that political crap in P&R 
10-11-12, 02:37 PM
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Yes, please keep political posts in P&R. Any comments about Lance with presidents needs to be cycling related.
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^Actually, it's the lack of the comma that makes the joke funny. It shows how a writer who meant to say one thing ended up saying something totally different because they forgot the comma. If the hypothetical writer also chose not to capitalize the name of their uncle then it would look like they meant to write "jack off a horse" and that wouldn't be funny. The joke is the unintended mistake.
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How do you jill or Jill off a horse? Or maybe Jill could off a horse. And an uncle Jill would really add to the confusion.
How do insert that beating a dead horse thing? Asume I did that.
How do insert that beating a dead horse thing? Asume I did that.
10-11-12, 04:16 PM
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10-11-12, 05:50 PM
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My athletics coach used to say that no man can run 100 under 10s if he's not using something. The difference are that some use doping in pre-sason training in order to train harder. Some use new, still not banned substances. But all the top athletes use some doping.
This doesn't make their success any less. With doping it doesn't get any easier, you just go faster. You still need to train very hard, do good when the race starts, push yourself. If you add the fact that most competition uses doping, you're practically going handicapped if you stay clean.
I admire Lance, inspite of doping. Hard training, racing, will to win - it's all there. As it was before. The world is not black&white. Pro sport especially.
This doesn't make their success any less. With doping it doesn't get any easier, you just go faster. You still need to train very hard, do good when the race starts, push yourself. If you add the fact that most competition uses doping, you're practically going handicapped if you stay clean.
I admire Lance, inspite of doping. Hard training, racing, will to win - it's all there. As it was before. The world is not black&white. Pro sport especially.
10-11-12, 06:32 PM
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To no one in particular,
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
10-11-12, 09:27 PM
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To no one in particular,
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
10-11-12, 10:42 PM
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To no one in particular,
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
I'm the guy that cuts you off in traffic
... That's defrauding your insurance company
... That cheats on his taxes
... Who cheats with your wife
I'm the guy that is like everyone else. A liar, a cheater, and a sneak. What are you going to do about it?
10-11-12, 10:50 PM
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Or 
Well played, sir.
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Oh, and I completely agree with Homebrew and Colombo.
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I really wonder what the future looks like for Lance now. Maybe this all just blows over.
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10-12-12, 04:54 PM
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Garmin-Sharp/JV, I want to believe
But I've be burned before by LA and others. Tell me why you are different.
10-13-12, 05:43 PM
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Tiger Woods was guilty of personal lapses of conduct. I think this is far different from a situation where the misconduct occurs within one's profession. The Pete Rose scandal might be a better analogy to the Armstrong situation.
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10-13-12, 09:17 PM
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There is another guy that basically wrote the book and so far i know he had been investigating this thing for the last 4 or 5 years. Is not only hamilton's that is telling stuff in there, the other guy has other sources too.
The only thing that I would love to know is this...
Franky andreu and his wife were in the hospital when LA was talking with the doctors about the stuff he was taking and stuff... why in the world the name of the doctors are still mute? I mean... i would have talked with the doctors and basically forced them to talk in front of the jury as it happened with the other guys.
What i see is that this is still and fight of "he said, you said," and sure LA will die denying the situation, if one of the doctors that was in the room that day talks you dont need more evidence. Sure nobody believes to hamilton and others... other guys are saying they havent seen nothing eventhought they were in the same team than LA for a few seasons... anybody knows if one of the doctors came up and talked about what happened in the room that day?
The only thing that I would love to know is this...
Franky andreu and his wife were in the hospital when LA was talking with the doctors about the stuff he was taking and stuff... why in the world the name of the doctors are still mute? I mean... i would have talked with the doctors and basically forced them to talk in front of the jury as it happened with the other guys.
What i see is that this is still and fight of "he said, you said," and sure LA will die denying the situation, if one of the doctors that was in the room that day talks you dont need more evidence. Sure nobody believes to hamilton and others... other guys are saying they havent seen nothing eventhought they were in the same team than LA for a few seasons... anybody knows if one of the doctors came up and talked about what happened in the room that day?
10-13-12, 10:10 PM
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Who is a legitimate (non-doped) TdF winner in the last 30 years?
....Evans ? Wiggins? Indurain? Hinault? LeMond?
10-14-12, 01:16 AM
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In the past 30 years, TdF winners who have never tested positive, confessed to drugs, or been implicated in a sting operation include Hinault, LeMond, Sastre, Evans, and Wiggins (Delgado and Indurain are close, but both tested positive for drugs that were legal at the time but are banned now). However, that doesn't mean these riders are clean either. Personally, I have my doubts about LeMond. His 1989 TT finish remains the fastest TT over 20km in TdF history, beating all the doped riders of the "dirty decade" (who were also riding more modern bikes).