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Agreed. His posting said that he was travelling at about 15 mph, so maybe that is what saved him. If he had been at a stoplight, yeah, he would probably have gone under the wheels. Gruesome.

And yeah, iherald, my friend went to a Baskin Robbins thinking that Ben&Jerry's ice cream was a flavour; she and I will have to have a long chat about smoking pot and what it does to your brain cells in the near future ;)

Offhoff

04-17-07 05:59 PM

I've had a great response for all you guys, and from people off the board, about wanting to ride with a camera.

So an annoucement: IF the weather holds for the weekend and we have a beautiful Saturday I would like to invite everyone out for a Bike BBQ. I've wanted to get stills and video of everyone and their bikes as well as hook up the bike cam rigs I have for anyone who wants to show off their skills during daylight. Polish up your bikes and bring out the bling. Fixed/ss would be great if we can keep it to that. I have a big garage that has no car so bike parking is no problem.

This is a totally weather dependent event so as the week progresses I will continue to update people. Come for an hour or come for the whole afternoon we'll eat, drink and be merry. If the weather is still doing well I'll start collecting a list of peeps who are interested. And I'll have information at the Safety Meeting for sure.

I hope people want/do come out and that everyone rides safe!

somnambulant

04-17-07 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Offhoff

I have morning runs but I'm going to try and bring it too you as soon as I have an empty bag and some time tomorrow.

I had the runs this morning too.

Also: Helmets = good. Every time I consider not wearing mine I see something like that and it makes me smarten up. Same helmet as me, too.

Offhoff

04-17-07 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by somnambulant

I had the runs this morning too.

Also: Helmets = good. Every time I consider not wearing mine I see something like that and it makes me smarten up. Same helmet as me, too.

So thats why you were listening to so much Mos Def.

I should put the helmet back on. I know. I just hate them. But it is my brain. Damn.

operator

04-17-07 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz

Obviously, he is only alive because he was wearing a helmet. I guess I should start wearing one, this looks pretty bad.

Sorry I can't see how you can draw that conclusion. At best you can say that his head would've looked less ****ed up if he wasn't wearing a helmet but you can't say that he was saved by it.

Without further details about the accident you can conclude absolute jack all. Repetition of the "always wear your helmet" mantra does nothing but divert attention from the issues that really cause people to perish on the roads - riding skills and those that are out of our control (drunk drivers etc).

I don't want to start a helmet debate here, feel free to pm me to continue.

somnambulant

04-17-07 06:28 PM

I've heard lots of stories of people who were quite obviously saved (either their life, or at least paralysis) by their helmet. I have never heard any stories of people who were killed/paralyzed/etc because of a helmet.

Therefore I will continue to wear mine. Plus it makes me look all aero and racey. ;)

Whether anyone else wears one or not is their choice (for now at least).

somnambulant

04-17-07 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offhoff

So thats why you were listening to so much Mos Def.

Mos Def cures the runs? Sweet. Score: 2.

cavit8

04-17-07 06:33 PM

Ah ha ha! Too late. What kills people is vehicles hitting or crushing people. While you can't definitively draw conclusions from a single incident, the case control literature is pretty convincing. Except to guys like Curnow and his libertarians. I agree that safe roads are the critical issue and emphasis on helmets detracts (maybe) from movement in improving safety overall, but saying that helmets don't have a positive impact on safety in an individual crash doesn't convince me. People mix levels of benefit too often when they look at these things.

32flavours

04-17-07 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cavit8

People mix levels of benefit too often when they look at these things.

Agreed. A foray into A&S will quickly demonstrate this principle. How frustrating it must be to be so stubborn.

... If I wear shorts will it get warmer?

somnambulant

04-17-07 06:49 PM

no, it'll probably get colder. Just like how we're all not going to talk about the weather forecast for the weekend.

speaking of which, just got on the Paris-Ancaster website to see if there was any update on trail conditions (deciding what kind of tires to run) and saw this:

THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS
REGISTERED. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE
YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE
PARIS TO ANCASTER RACE.
WITH UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS OF
RACERS EXPECTED THIS SUNDAY WE
FEEL IT IS PRUDENT TO LIMIT THE FIELD
IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY
OF THE RACE. THE FIELD LIMIT IS NOW
SET AT 2000 RACERS. THIS WILL LIKELY BE
ACHIEVED THROUGH ON-LINE REG ALONE.
IF THERE ARE SPACES AVAILABLE ON
SATURDAY WE WILL ACCEPT REGISTRATION IN PERSON UNTIL THE
FIELD LIMIT IS REACHED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING
AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT
CANADA'S LARGEST RACE!

Crazy!

cavit8

04-17-07 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 32flavours

... If I wear shorts will it get warmer?

must resist comment...

32flavours

04-17-07 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavit8

must resist comment...

You filthy dog!

... teehee.

sweep242

04-17-07 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somnambulant

. THE FIELD LIMIT IS NOW SET AT 2000 RACERS.

Crazy!

Only 2000 jesus.

sweep242

04-17-07 07:24 PM

I’ve taken a tumble/ fall/ crash/ tip over & bumped off the road by cars & don’t think I even scratched my helmet! But I’ll never say wish I was wearing my lid. It’s like shoes I just put it on. I’m sure it will become a legal thing for everyone soon?

Offhoff

04-17-07 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweep242

I’m sure it will become a legal thing for everyone soon?

I seriously doubt that ever happening.

sweep242

04-17-07 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offhoff

I seriously doubt that ever happening.

I doubt it to but you never know I’ve seen it mentioned on the news time to time. hell when was the last time you saw anyone saying something to a 16 Y/O for not wearing one.

Offhoff

04-17-07 07:44 PM

Wow you just reversed from "I'm sure it will become law" to "I doubt it to" (sic). It is illegal for anyone under 18 not wear a helmet.

sweep242

04-17-07 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offhoff

Wow you just reversed from "I'm sure it will become law" to "I doubt it to" (sic). It is illegal for anyone under 18 not wear a helmet.

No i kind of posed it as a loose question & yes I doubt it will happen. I thought the age was 16 I guess 18 is better.

operator

04-17-07 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somnambulant

The proper way to rebuff this would've been to cite the amount of people who weren't killed not wearing a helmet that are involved with an accident with a motor vehicle.

Don't care whether someone chooses to wear a helmet or not (I used to religiously before last years FFL ride). But government mandated **** is ********.

TRaffic Jammer

04-17-07 08:11 PM

They've already set the wheels in motion, grandfathering in legal helmets for kids, pretty soon not a soul will think twice about slapping a lid on for just about anything. Social Engineering at it's best.

jet sanchEz

04-17-07 08:14 PM

I guess you are right, I cannot say with 100% certainty that the helmet saved this guys life but he was hit from behind by a car doing 40mph/64kmh and thrown 40 feet/12m and blacked out. He didn't post pics of the car but that helmet is pretty messed up and so is the bike, clearly a lot of force was in action here. I'll cut 'n paste his post just for the hell of it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some guy

I got hit by a car.
I was riding up through Portola Valley and came around a turn when she smacked me from behind. She was going 40, me 15. I bounced up onto her windshield, broke it, hit my head on the passenger side bar, and as she slammed on the brakes I was thrown 40 feet, landed on my left side, and skidded for about 10 more feet. Ruined my bike, my favorite pair of Assos bibs, my Giro Atmos helmet (saved my life, for sure) and the paramedics cut off my jersey, gloves, and arm warmers (I get cold ok). Amazingly, I survived with only some bad road rash on both my knees, bad bruising or hematoma on my left shoulder/arm, some smaller abrasions to my face, and 4 stitches just below my left knee. All I really remember from the crash was a very very loud bang and then waking up later to the paramedics telling me not to move my neck. I spent 6 hours in the emergency room at Stanford,(I picked the right place to get hit by a car, that's an excellent hospital) and less than a week later (this was on Tuesday), I'm back on my feet, hopefully back on the bike next week. I feel pretty lucky that I escaped with such minor wounds, especially with people telling me about the damage I did to her car. Always wear a helmet, that's what I learned.

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