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Old 11-08-15 | 05:28 PM
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That looks like a paceline to me.
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Old 11-08-15 | 05:30 PM
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I also think double pacelines are silly. Needlessly complicated to those that are uninformed how a paceline is supposed to work. Which, in my opinion, in 90% of the riders out there.
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Old 11-08-15 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FLvector
By normal double paceline, do you mean the one pictured on the left? We'll do this during warmups which allows for conversation, but when things ramp up, we'll usually go to a single paceline. As datlas mentioned, the constantly rotating paceline on the right is the most efficient if done properly.

Yep, that's what I meant. That is the only double paceline I've ever done.

Well except a recent slower-paced group ride that was a double paceline in which both people pulling would come off to the left. I was on the right and could figure out how to get off the front. My "partner" just pulled forever and seemingly couldn't hear what I was saying when I was telling him I wanted off. I was trapped and finally just came off to the right like a normal person.
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Old 11-08-15 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumonkan
with 30 people it would kinda have to be 2 lines with that many, you probably wouldnt get to the back before the next one pulled off
I think it works best with about 10-12 riders that are well in synch. Fortunately, the majority of the 30 knew what they were doing so it was pretty smooth. Fun to do something different once in a while.
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Old 11-08-15 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas
Done properly, it's incredibly efficient.
What he said. Every breakaway that I was ever in in a race operated a line like a chainsaw. Constant rotation, no sitting on the front.

The problem is that a lot of inexperienced riders want to up the pace instead of just flow through and move aside, or they want to sit on the front and pull which is fine on a lot of rides but not nearly as efficient.
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Old 11-08-15 | 08:06 PM
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Exactly. A plain ol rotating paceline is an amazing thing. If folks would just learn what a slight soft pedal means, and quit racing the guy that's rotating off the front, it would be so much better.

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Old 11-08-15 | 08:13 PM
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We usually ride a single pace line where the rider up front pulls off to the left (or right depending on wind direction). The double pace line is good as long as most know what they're doing. Otherwise, it can bunch up or get a lot of gaps. We had about 30 in the group, probably too many, but it worked.
Originally Posted by Heathpack
Why would you do that instead of a normal double paceline. It looks needlessly complex. Is there some advantage to doing it that way?
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I love doing a double pace-line like that, it's sometimes a challenge with my club as some riders don't understand the principle of it, which typically ruins the benefit.
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with 30 people it would kinda have to be 2 lines with that many, you probably wouldnt get to the back before the next one pulled off
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That looks like a paceline to me.

My favorite is the gaggle, or a hoard of scorchers, 30-60+, just a mass moving down the street at a high rate of speed, maybe defined by some sort of echelon at the head, everyone just filtering up through gaps to the front as necessary according to the whims of the ego.

goes well with a few bottles of red being handed around, etc..
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Old 11-08-15 | 08:13 PM
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When I was in Boulder I saw a four-man rotating "box" on one of my first group rides at the front. I wanted no part of being that close, so I hung a couple of lengths back. It was amazing to watch though.
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
My favorite is the gaggle, or a hoard of scorchers, 30-60+, just a mass moving down the street at a high rate of speed, maybe defined by some sort of echelon at the head, everyone just filtering up through gaps to the front as necessary according to the whims of the ego.

goes well with a few bottles of red being handed around, etc..
Sounds like a typical Worlds ride. No matter what town it is.
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Exactly. A plain ol rotating paceline is an amazing thing. If folks would just learn what a slight soft pedal means, and quit racing the guy that's rotating off the front, it would be so much better.
Tried to get one going in our gaggle today on a long headwind stretch... gaggle stayed gaggle.
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...right around 26 seconds in.
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Wow. Hard ride yesterday morning plus 3 hours of yard work in the afternoon equals a great night's sleep.

I wish I could ride again today but gonna do something stupid instead.
Mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.
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Mama told me not to come.
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Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes
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It's good you're OK, [MENTION=130160]rjones28[/MENTION].
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It's good you're OK, @rjones28.
Grassy hillsides are fairly forgiving. Athough, my nose kind of hurt for the rest of the race.
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And I did another, longer, race after that. I did not fall down during the second race.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes
...ouch. That over the bars thing happens pretty fast. Good thing, 'cause it's scary.
Has anyone asked you if the bike was OK yet ? If not, let me be the first.
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Grassy hillsides are fairly forgiving. Athough, my nose kind of hurt for the rest of the race.
...well, tomorrow morning tells the tale. You always look worse in the morning after the swelling has had a chance to work its magic. #iceit
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...ouch. That over the bars thing happens pretty fast. Good thing, 'cause it's scary.
Has anyone asked you if the bike was OK yet ? If not, let me be the first.
Bike is A-ok. Just needed to remove the grass from the lever and push it back into place.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes
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Old 11-09-15 | 12:31 AM
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Yes, if/when the famine hits, I am in trouble. In the meantime, I will wait for you at the top of the hill.
Which also means you'll be first to whatever food there is.

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Oh dear. I have caught a disease.
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Oh dear. I have caught a disease.
I heard Australia has recently overtaken USA in obesity.
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