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BDop Cassettes Anyone uesd one?

Old 03-13-16, 05:37 PM
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BDop Cassettes Anyone uesd one?

Looking to replace my Dura Ace 10 speed and was wondering how well the DBop cassette works and holds up with use.
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Based on the quality of stuff I have bought from him - I wouldn't be afraid of anything he sold!
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@cycledogg, thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.

These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).

Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).

We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...

I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).

What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.

Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.

Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.

If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.

Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.

Grab some popcorn.


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Thanks for the response BDop. It's understandable that some might question your review of a product you sell, but anyone that has has been in the industry can see right through a shameless product endorsement.

You never do that.
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Thanks for the response BDop. It's understandable that some might question your review of a product you sell, but anyone that has has been in the industry can see right through a shameless product endorsement.

You never do that.
^^^This.
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I'm interested also, so is anyone using them?
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We mostly sell these into Japan and S Korea (I've no idea why). We've only sold a handful into the NA market. I'm guessing you won't get any replies.
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Interesting, I could drop a quarter pound using the BDop 11-25 cassette instead of my Ultegra and it would be lighter and cheaper than Dura Ace. Might be worth a go next time I need a new cassette.
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I've got one on order.
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I've got one on order.
I just checked your order. Please make sure the girls have your DAYTIME contact number. We need it for shipping.
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I sent it to them this morning. Can't wait to try the cassette. I've been running Dura Ace looking forward to comparing the two.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
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@cycledogg, thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.

These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).

Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).

We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...

I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).

What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.

Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.

Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.

If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.

Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.

Grab some popcorn.

Bob, could you clarify whether the cassette is available in 12-25 for Shimano? That configuration is in the drop down product menu, but you don't show it in you list of weights for available models. Just wondering which list is correct. Also any chance you could develop a model with enough of the small cogs fused together and the deep lock ring to adapt a 10-speed freehub body to an 11-speed cassette like Edco has? Thanks.
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I really like the s11 option of 12-28. I think that's about the only non-Dura Ace option I've seen (others are 11-28).
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If you want 11spd on a 10spd hub just use a Campagnolo configuration with your Shimano 11spd gear. Much easier in the long run.
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Just a quick update. I purchased the 10 speed 11/25 cassette to replace a Dura Ace 11/23 that I have had for a couple of years. I bought the Dura Ace 11/23 for weight, at the time I was trying to shave every gram I could. The BDop cassette is a great looking cassette and weighed in at 104 grams with lockring and 10 speed spacer, the Dura Ace was 166 grams. Only have a little over 200 miles on it, but so far so good. Shift quality on par with the Dura Ace. I'm debating now on getting a 11/29 for the mountains. I really like the 2 piece design, easy to install.
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I just got mine yesterday (NA customer). 12-28 11-speed.

I put a picture on the forum@roadbikereview and will post follow-ups there.

I've installed it on a newly built Pacenti SL23 rim with a BHS UL190 hub. Won't get to ride it though for another couple of weeks because normal life gets in the way...
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I just ordered a 11-23 10spd, cant wait to test it out
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Hi guys,

I came across this thread a few weeks ago and thought I'd try the BDOP aluminium cassette to see if they are all they're hyped up to be. I'll report back when I've put some time in on them.

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I came across this thread a few weeks ago and thought I'd try the BDOP aluminium cassette to see if they are all they're hyped up to be. I'll report back when I've put some time in on them.

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Considering the humble and informative post by the maker I suggest this is the wrong word to use...
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Ive put 100 miles on my 11-23 cassette and the shifting is great so far. I know 100 miles isn't anything but I've read reviews of other lightweight cassettes that suck straight out of the box so this is encouraging so far.
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Originally Posted by rmfnla View Post
Considering the humble and informative post by the maker I suggest this is the wrong word to use...
Humble?

I must be doing it wrong!
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Originally Posted by cycledogg View Post
Looking to replace my Dura Ace 10 speed and was wondering how well the DBop cassette works and holds up with use.
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I'm about 6-8 into one piece cassettes - no BDop, but might try them out. I have steel one piece and alloy. The smaller cogs being not alloy is good.
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Considering the humble and informative post by the maker I suggest this is the wrong word to use...
Yeah, I probably exaggerated a bit by stating the "hype" but if they perform as well as Bob Dop is suggesting, then I will be very happy. I'm trying one as I'm running a hub with an aluminium freehub body and the Shimano cassettes gouge in it. Being a bit lighter is great but not my motivation for going this way. Chris King freehubs are quite expensive to replace and if this solves the problem, then I will stick with them.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Humble?

I must be doing it wrong!
Quiet, you...

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Yeah, I probably exaggerated a bit by stating the "hype" but if they perform as well as Bob Dop is suggesting, then I will be very happy. I'm trying one as I'm running a hub with an aluminium freehub body and the Shimano cassettes gouge in it. Being a bit lighter is great but not my motivation for going this way. Chris King freehubs are quite expensive to replace and if this solves the problem, then I will stick with them.
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anyone interested I have two for sale both 10 speed, 11/25 ~400 miles and 11/29 still in the box never mounted. Make offer
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