BDop Cassettes Anyone uesd one?
03-13-16, 07:30 PM
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[MENTION=330164]cycledogg[/MENTION], thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.
These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).
Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).
We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...
I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).
What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.
Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.
Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.
If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.
Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.
Grab some popcorn.
[MENTION=330164]cycledogg[/MENTION], thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.
These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).
Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).
We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...
I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).
What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.
Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.
Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.
If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.
Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.
Grab some popcorn.
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03-13-16, 07:49 PM
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Thanks for the response BDop. It's understandable that some might question your review of a product you sell, but anyone that has has been in the industry can see right through a shameless product endorsement.
You never do that.
You never do that.
03-22-16, 10:04 PM
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Interesting, I could drop a quarter pound using the BDop 11-25 cassette instead of my Ultegra and it would be lighter and cheaper than Dura Ace. Might be worth a go next time I need a new cassette.
03-23-16, 06:00 AM
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@cycledogg, thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.
These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).
Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).
We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...
I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).
What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.
Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.
Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.
If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.
Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.
Grab some popcorn.
@cycledogg, thanks for looking at these. Keep in mind that these are still alloy cassettes; They'll never wear as long as a steel cassette and so aren't a suitable replacement for those who feel durability to be paramount in the design.
These are a performance product. Some durability is sacrified for performance (weight).
Comparing them against other performance oriented products, like DA, is fair (and your actual question!).
We started working on these a few years ago and then got sidetracked by other projects. I continued to ride on them and had given Shim10, Shim11 and Campy11 cassettes to a local team, that competes at the National Level, to ride and test. All of our results lined up pretty well, to a point...
I rode both Campy 11 and Shim 11, but mostly Campagnolo. Each cassette started with the new KMC 11spd chain (@papaoddo, big blue thumb!).
What we saw was that regardless of configuration, or what lube was used, when checked at 5000km, shifting was still clear and crisp, even under load, there was no significant wear on the teeth (we did break 1 tooth on 1 cassette) and the drivetrain wasn't loud or clattery.
Then it got interesting. After that 5k we started to see a fall off in performance BUT, and this is key, it happened at seemingly ramdom rates, for random riders in random configurations. Some riders starting noticing wear at 6k while other continued to ride them and even after 10,000km things were still fine.
Our conclusion was that the rider habits, road conditions and weather conditions all made it impossible to make any predictions beyond the 5k point. It could be 6k or it could be 16k. We had no control over that. None. And we couldn't design it out.
If a rider is a little lazy with the lube and rides in a lot of inclement weather, the lifespan of the drivetrain with suffer. Someone was has a decent hand on their basic maintenance, even those who ride in bad weather, will have less issues over a longer period of time.
Because of this, we offer 1 year year warranty against manufacturing defects but, like every other cassette maker, don't extend that to a fixed number of km. It's literally impossible for us to say.
Grab some popcorn.
03-23-16, 09:05 AM
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I really like the s11 option of 12-28. I think that's about the only non-Dura Ace option I've seen (others are 11-28).
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04-06-16, 03:50 PM
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Just a quick update. I purchased the 10 speed 11/25 cassette to replace a Dura Ace 11/23 that I have had for a couple of years. I bought the Dura Ace 11/23 for weight, at the time I was trying to shave every gram I could. The BDop cassette is a great looking cassette and weighed in at 104 grams with lockring and 10 speed spacer, the Dura Ace was 166 grams. Only have a little over 200 miles on it, but so far so good. Shift quality on par with the Dura Ace. I'm debating now on getting a 11/29 for the mountains. I really like the 2 piece design, easy to install.
04-13-16, 08:13 AM
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I just got mine yesterday (NA customer). 12-28 11-speed.
I put a picture on the forum@roadbikereview and will post follow-ups there.
I've installed it on a newly built Pacenti SL23 rim with a BHS UL190 hub. Won't get to ride it though for another couple of weeks because normal life gets in the way...
I put a picture on the forum@roadbikereview and will post follow-ups there.
I've installed it on a newly built Pacenti SL23 rim with a BHS UL190 hub. Won't get to ride it though for another couple of weeks because normal life gets in the way...
04-29-16, 02:56 AM
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Hi guys,
I came across this thread a few weeks ago and thought I'd try the BDOP aluminium cassette to see if they are all they're hyped up to be. I'll report back when I've put some time in on them.
Cheers.
I came across this thread a few weeks ago and thought I'd try the BDOP aluminium cassette to see if they are all they're hyped up to be. I'll report back when I've put some time in on them.
Cheers.
04-29-16, 09:51 AM
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Considering the humble and informative post by the maker I suggest this is the wrong word to use...
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04-29-16, 11:12 AM
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Ive put 100 miles on my 11-23 cassette and the shifting is great so far. I know 100 miles isn't anything but I've read reviews of other lightweight cassettes that suck straight out of the box so this is encouraging so far.
04-29-16, 05:28 PM
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I'm about 6-8 into one piece cassettes - no BDop, but might try them out. I have steel one piece and alloy. The smaller cogs being not alloy is good.
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Yeah, I probably exaggerated a bit by stating the "hype" but if they perform as well as Bob Dop is suggesting, then I will be very happy. I'm trying one as I'm running a hub with an aluminium freehub body and the Shimano cassettes gouge in it. Being a bit lighter is great but not my motivation for going this way. Chris King freehubs are quite expensive to replace and if this solves the problem, then I will stick with them.
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Quiet, you...
Yeah, I probably exaggerated a bit by stating the "hype" but if they perform as well as Bob Dop is suggesting, then I will be very happy. I'm trying one as I'm running a hub with an aluminium freehub body and the Shimano cassettes gouge in it. Being a bit lighter is great but not my motivation for going this way. Chris King freehubs are quite expensive to replace and if this solves the problem, then I will stick with them.
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