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Old 12-23-16, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs View Post
I don't need a trainer for resistance, the cool thing about the Sportcrafters is basically below 15mph the resistance isn't engaged, it ramps from there. So...what I do before and after my workout is drop to a gear where I can spin for warm up/ cool down.

Personally I find the body core work rollers require to be a huge plus, and they pay off in spades for handling and smoothness IMO.

The only disadvantage is not being able to get out of the saddle...that's why the E-Motion are so attractive.
Were you the guy who told me about lowering the psi in the tires to add a little resistance? I just mentioned this in the other rollers thread a few weeks ago. I put them down to like 45 psi and it's just enough resistance to give me a smooth spin and keep my HR in zone 2. I don't like trainers, but could see how structured interval training would be a bonus if you live in the frigid north. Down south you can hit the rollers for zone 2 stuff and get outside on the weekends.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Ah, the InsideRide. Tell me more please.

What do you like about them? What don't you like? What options do you have?

I ask because there is a set near me on Criagslist... E-Motion Rollers - InsideRide


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I got the remote wireless resistance option, it works great, but honestly, I never use it. I like that they have a modest amount of resistance built in and is more than I need. As an example, I have a compact 50/34 with an 11 tooth cog as my smallest gear. At the end of my workout last night I put it in the 50/11 combination and got up to 41 mph and a little over 600 watts (clearly that was a short lived sprint). So, they have plenty of resistance.

I might have a thousand miles on them so far, they've been great. I would probably still be afraid to ride them without my handrails because I watch TV and drift off at times.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I understand Deacon. Thank you. I've no desire to become disabled or injured and my father's words, "You have a family to worry about" are ringing in my ears.

It is a concern and this is what is really holding me back right now.

Pray for me.


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I just saw this...

Doorway, and don't worry. Set them up in such a fashion that when you're on saddle and on the hoods you simply can lean against the frame with a shoulder. Start pedaling, Get up right.

It is not a big deal, relax, and be light on the bars. Focus on something ahead of you, don't look at the front wheel, at least not yet... (I stare at my front wheel all the time, with time you stop relying on your eyes and more what you feel regarding whether you're getting off track.)

You may shred a front tire or two.. I have, if you're making a hard enough effort and the wheel comes off and the edge of the roller ends up against the tire sidewall...it's like a knife through butter.

IMO if you're going to have ONE training device, or are getting your first indoor trainer, rollers is the way to go.

Not only will you really train your cardio, but it'll make you a much better rider.

Power without finesse isn't all that useful.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
Were you the guy who told me about lowering the psi in the tires to add a little resistance?
Maybe...it does make a difference. Being that I have a resistance drum it's never been something I do...For balance and cadence work I make sure my tires are hard as rocks because then it's like riding on ice, in your living room!
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Old 12-23-16, 11:07 AM
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Question for all of you saying that you can't do big power training on rollers... how many of you have direct experience with the newer technology rollers whereas the drum induces drag magnetically as a function of RPM?

I'm not a pro, I don't endeavor to be, but the rollers I use as per charts as tested by users handle up to 900/1000 watt efforts.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs View Post
You sure can, but not in any form or method that relates to actual riding...to do so results in one shooting the bike backwards out from under them...
You're doing it wrong on the road, then.
Well, maybe not wrong, but getting off and back on the saddle without stalling or surging is a skill worth developing.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs View Post


I just saw this...

Doorway, and don't worry. Set them up in such a fashion that when you're on saddle and on the hoods you simply can lean against the frame with a shoulder. Start pedaling, Get up right.

It is not a big deal, relax, and be light on the bars. Focus on something ahead of you, don't look at the front wheel, at least not yet... (I stare at my front wheel all the time, with time you stop relying on your eyes and more what you feel regarding whether you're getting off track.)

You may shred a front tire or two.. I have, if you're making a hard enough effort and the wheel comes off and the edge of the roller ends up against the tire sidewall...it's like a knife through butter.

IMO if you're going to have ONE training device, or are getting your first indoor trainer, rollers is the way to go.

Not only will you really train your cardio, but it'll make you a much better rider.

Power without finesse isn't all that useful.
Doorway is especially great for starting and stopping on rollers. Once on and clipped in, easy spin up to speed. Small control movements, and spin. The more uneven your pedaling is, and the more severe your steering is, the more likely to loose control and go riding through the living room you are.



Having a TV in front of you to focus on with something to pay attention to makes the time go quicker....as well as keeps you subconsciously steering straight.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:38 AM
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I only stand on my rollers to rest my butt. It's odd to me to dis rollers for not being good for max standing efforts. As if trainers were? Both are worthless for max efforts because you're not accelerating your mass. The feel of OOS efforts on trainers or rollers is completely different from on the road because you aren't accelerating your mass up the road and then reaching terminal velocity. Plus on the usual trainer you can't rock the bike which is so important to sprinting performance. The place to train sprinting is on the track or outdoors.

OTOH I can certainly do max seated efforts on my rollers except that the acceleration has a completely different feel, as above. Z5 intervals are also a little different on my 500 watt set because even in top gear my cadence will be a little higher than what I would use for Z5 climbing intervals on the road. The 800+ watt Sportscrafters set would be better in that respect.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:44 AM
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I have a set of the 2.5 diameter kreitler rollers. the resistance curve they post is not even close to correct. I was still able to easily spin at 25ish mph doing low z2 back when i actually rode (now im just fat and lazy). Hell, even recovery rides still could average like 18-20 mph. I'd recommend getting the smallest diameter you can, it's literally the only way to train with rollers, otherwise you will spin out in your 53x11 just trying to do tempo workouts.
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Old 12-23-16, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
You're doing it wrong on the road, then.
Well, maybe not wrong, but getting off and back on the saddle without stalling or surging is a skill worth developing.
Nah, that's not it, I can do it, but in order to prevent a rearward bike squirt from happening my CG has to be unnaturally too far back on the bike and wheelies on rollers are no fun either.

My bike is too long for me as well, I'm sure that isn't a positive contributing factor...

Hence the design incorporated in Trutrainer's product, they allow for the rear wheel to be seated in such a way to prevent this in conjunction with their apparently superior inertia/momentum gadzoookery within their drums.
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Old 12-23-16, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspinnin View Post
I'd recommend getting the smallest diameter you can, it's literally the only way to train with rollers, otherwise you will spin out in your 53x11 just trying to do tempo workouts.
That's correct for "old-school" rollers. That's why the resistance drums available with some products today are great. My rollers resistance drum can kick my ass.
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Old 12-23-16, 12:43 PM
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i had a set of cycleops rollers with the magnetic resistance, it still wasn't that much resistance. The 2.5 Kreitlers were definitely more resistance than the cycleops rollers, even without an added resistance unit.
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Old 12-23-16, 03:50 PM
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...It's odd to me to dis rollers for not being good for max standing efforts. As if trainers were? ...
The two Cateye CS-1000 Cyclosimulator we've had are good for 1,400W+ before burning rubber and if you crank the roller really hard, maybe more. For some that is not enough, but it is higher than anything you set a bike on.

I agree with your track bike/hill/real bike needed for max power. But - as I posted - for that I think gym is as good. Hard to beat a stack of weights on a leg press for max effort.
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Old 12-23-16, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspinnin View Post
i had a set of cycleops rollers with the magnetic resistance, it still wasn't that much resistance. The 2.5 Kreitlers were definitely more resistance than the cycleops rollers, even without an added resistance unit.
It's easy to add more magnetic resistance with magnets: https://www.amazon.com/CMS-Magnetics...dp/B000UEBF00/
Stick one or two of these to the roller frame, close to one of the drive drums.
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I just noticed this...

SportCrafters Overdrive Pro Rollers - $349
SportCrafters OverDrive Pro Rollers | Competitive Cyclist

SportCrafters High Inertia Drum - $81.75
SportCrafters High Inertia Drum | Competitive Cyclist


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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
It's easy to add more magnetic resistance with magnets: https://www.amazon.com/CMS-Magnetics...dp/B000UEBF00/
Stick one or two of these to the roller frame, close to one of the drive drums.
^this. Easy to add a lot of resistance for a little $.
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Old 12-25-16, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
A buddy gave me his old rollers a few years ago. I don't find that I need resistance - the small contact patch seems to result in lots of tire deformation and loads of resistance without an added device, but I have not noticed significant wear. Wear is a big issue with trainers, probably because there is often some slippage between the tire and the roller because weight is suspended by the rear axle instead of the tire. Maybe don't use your hand-sewn silk casing racing tires, but trainer specific tires are not necessary for rollers IMO.
There are also trainers where the rear triangle isn't fixed, the rear tire is pressed against the trainer wheel by your body weight . Like this - wiggle.com | Elite Qubo Power Fluid Trainer | Turbo Trainers
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Just wanted to thank everyone who contributed to this thread.

I've orderd the SportCrafters OverDrive Pro roller set today. $349 with two day shipping from Backcountry.

Will probably pick up the cadence drum at some point in the future.

Thanks again all.
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I just picked up a used set of Kreitler 3" rollers. I already had a set of Performance 4" rollers. As I was doing a side by side comparison I noticed a difference. The band on the performance rollers connects only to the forward one of the two rear rollers, whereas the Kreitleer's connects to the rear roller and runs over the forward one. Just wondering if this has an effect.
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I just picked up a used set of Kreitler 3" rollers. I already had a set of Performance 4" rollers. As I was doing a side by side comparison I noticed a difference. The band on the performance rollers connects only to the forward one of the two rear rollers, whereas the Kreitleer's connects to the rear roller and runs over the forward one. Just wondering if this has an effect.

It may add a little friction, but I don't think it's intended to be set up that way.
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It may add a little friction, but I don't think it's intended to be set up that way.
At a guess...someone got a belt that was too long.
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That someone was the person who sold it to me. She was a former college racer at UC Berkeley or somewhere like that.
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
I just picked up a used set of Kreitler 3" rollers. I already had a set of Performance 4" rollers. As I was doing a side by side comparison I noticed a difference. The band on the performance rollers connects only to the forward one of the two rear rollers, whereas the Kreitleer's connects to the rear roller and runs over the forward one. Just wondering if this has an effect.

Is there a difference in performance, or just how the band runs?
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Is there a difference in performance, or just how the band runs?
I'm not sure I have a basis for comparison. I've only used these rollers once. And, my other rollers were 4" rather than 3". I will say that I thought there was more resistance than I was used to. Because of the belt? Because of the difference in roller diameter? I don't really know.
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"performance" in rollers is a tough one. Lager diameter drums have less resistance than the smaller drums. The resistance comes from the deformation of the tire and the friction of rpm (smaller turns more).

Then there is the quality of the frame and roundness. A sturdy frame is always better - except when it comes to cost and transport. A rounder roller is better. Most bearings are good enough.

So if one was going to do a roller race (as was popular in the 80s) get the biggest roundest drums, ceramic bearings, most elastic belt (don't know which that would be) and a supple, very nicely seated clincher at high pressure on double discs.
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