Getting passed
08-15-17 | 07:41 AM
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Assuming I'm riding with effort but still get passed, I just figure she's a better rider than me. Fine with that.
08-15-17 | 08:06 AM
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I don't really care about getting passed or passing somebody thing...
Unless all the riders agree it's a race, passing or not doesn't mean a thing.
You never know whether the rider passing you or you are passing is in a endurance ride, a century, a double century, last 5 miles of a century ride, recovery ride, or just a 20 mile very intense workout..
So what's the point?
Unless all the riders agree it's a race, passing or not doesn't mean a thing.
You never know whether the rider passing you or you are passing is in a endurance ride, a century, a double century, last 5 miles of a century ride, recovery ride, or just a 20 mile very intense workout..
So what's the point?
08-15-17 | 09:06 AM
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Something else you just don't know, that random person passing might be a local pro development team rider on a zone 2 recovery ride, and only on that route to deliberately go slow. If you did know that, you'd feel a fool for "racing" them.
I'm pretty specific about that because I've seen their van at various trailheads, guys unloading, riding along at about 18 mph, and they don't "look pro" any more than anyone else. I'm not worried about them passing me, obviously, nor vice versa. That particular team is male only, but there's no reason why a randomly encountered woman wouldn't be just relaxing at 18-20 mph either.
I'm pretty specific about that because I've seen their van at various trailheads, guys unloading, riding along at about 18 mph, and they don't "look pro" any more than anyone else. I'm not worried about them passing me, obviously, nor vice versa. That particular team is male only, but there's no reason why a randomly encountered woman wouldn't be just relaxing at 18-20 mph either.
08-15-17 | 09:13 AM
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Who's ego is bruised here - who's really being the jerk?
Someone, ANYONE, passes a rider and makes a him realize maybe he isn't as good as he thinks or isn't working as hard as maybe he should, so he makes an effort. How does giving chase make him a jerk? If I pass someone, I hope they do chase me, and if they pass me back, good for them! I just expect them to keep going and not slow back down right away.
If folks don't want to play that game, they don't have to; they can say "I don't want to play," but I don't see any reason to accuse those who do of having fragile egos or being "threatened." If your friend really has that kind of disdain, she should just get over herself. No matter who you are, when you're good at something, having others try to prove themselves against you comes with the territory. Don't be a jerk and roll your eyes at them, smile when you drop them!
Someone, ANYONE, passes a rider and makes a him realize maybe he isn't as good as he thinks or isn't working as hard as maybe he should, so he makes an effort. How does giving chase make him a jerk? If I pass someone, I hope they do chase me, and if they pass me back, good for them! I just expect them to keep going and not slow back down right away.
If folks don't want to play that game, they don't have to; they can say "I don't want to play," but I don't see any reason to accuse those who do of having fragile egos or being "threatened." If your friend really has that kind of disdain, she should just get over herself. No matter who you are, when you're good at something, having others try to prove themselves against you comes with the territory. Don't be a jerk and roll your eyes at them, smile when you drop them!
08-15-17 | 09:32 AM
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Who's ego is bruised here - who's really being the jerk?
Someone, ANYONE, passes a rider and makes a him realize maybe he isn't as good as he thinks or isn't working as hard as maybe he should, so he makes an effort. How does giving chase make him a jerk? If I pass someone, I hope they do chase me, and if they pass me back, good for them! I just expect them to keep going and not slow back down right away. If folks don't want to play that game, they don't have to; they can say "I don't want to play," but I don't see any reason to accuse those who do of having fragile egos or being "threatened." If your friend really has that kind of disdain, she should just get over herself. No matter who you are, when you're good at something, having others try to prove themselves against you comes with the territory. Don't be a jerk and roll your eyes at them, smile when you drop them!
Someone, ANYONE, passes a rider and makes a him realize maybe he isn't as good as he thinks or isn't working as hard as maybe he should, so he makes an effort. How does giving chase make him a jerk? If I pass someone, I hope they do chase me, and if they pass me back, good for them! I just expect them to keep going and not slow back down right away.
If folks don't want to play that game, they don't have to; they can say "I don't want to play," but I don't see any reason to accuse those who do of having fragile egos or being "threatened." If your friend really has that kind of disdain, she should just get over herself. No matter who you are, when you're good at something, having others try to prove themselves against you comes with the territory. Don't be a jerk and roll your eyes at them, smile when you drop them!
08-15-17 | 11:14 AM
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I shouldn't read too much in to it? My point is that you shouldn't read too much in to it - so much so that I really don't see a point in trying. You mention comparing yourself in gaming and sport... but those are instances where the participants have implicitly or explicitly agreed to competition. While you're busy patting yourself on the back for turning yourself inside out to catch someone's wheel, they may be in the middle of a z2 ride or at the end of a century; there's no way for you to compare yourself to someone else with only your data point.
Find a velodrome or a closed course if one is uncomfortable with that societal agreement.
08-15-17 | 11:44 AM
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On a recent open club ride I saw a pretty chunky dude who took off with us in group A/B. I judged him based on his looks. Thought he would eventually drop back to group C.
He didn't. He was stronger than me. Even up the hills. We chatted. Very friendly dude. Had beers after and now we're Strava/riding friends. Don't know since when he started riding, but dude logs 4x the mileage that I do. He just happens to *love* the beers.
He didn't. He was stronger than me. Even up the hills. We chatted. Very friendly dude. Had beers after and now we're Strava/riding friends. Don't know since when he started riding, but dude logs 4x the mileage that I do. He just happens to *love* the beers.
That's so true - you can't judge a rider by the way he/she looks. We have guys in their 70's that are beasts.
I've seen "large" guys that are racers; women that are good and grind it out.
I'm in a similar boat as the OP - mid 50's, started cycling "seriously" about 2 years ago.
I've made a lot of progress in 2 years.
But if someone passes me I just figure, "they're better than I am... FOR NOW"
08-15-17 | 11:45 AM
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I have, in fact, chased down a former pro who was on a casual warm up, thinking he was just some Fred with a pro kit fetish. When we met at a light and struck up a conversation, I was amused to discover the facts, but I didn't feel the least bit foolish. He certainly didn't roll his eyes at me or make me feel like he thought I was a jerk.
08-15-17 | 11:49 AM
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Ikr. I have done a lot of riding in Lancaster County, PA, which is home to many Amish and Mennonites. (Floyd Landis country.) Some of them are incredibly strong. One year I did an organized metric. There was a teenage Mennonite boy who did the ride in a plaid, collared shirt and a pair those stiff, black jeans. Quite a sight seeing that he was also wearing Sidi road shoes. He was very fast. During a charity event out that way I drafted behind a local teenage Mennonite girl riding an old Raleigh road bike with dual mirrors, a rear rack with a milk crate attached to it and...wait for it...a Campy rear disc wheel. She was probably heading to work or the market.
08-15-17 | 12:04 PM
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In the spring, returning from a long ride, a guy in full Sagan team kit- socks and all- passed going the other way.
Apparently he was doing a short lap as he tuned around and soon passed me approaching the medium-sized hill.
He had a poseur look- over dressed with a substantial pot belly, so I figured that I'd catch him on the climb,
but I didn't! Maybe he was working off the winter weight.
Apparently he was doing a short lap as he tuned around and soon passed me approaching the medium-sized hill.
He had a poseur look- over dressed with a substantial pot belly, so I figured that I'd catch him on the climb,
but I didn't! Maybe he was working off the winter weight.
08-15-17 | 12:15 PM
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I shouldn't read too much in to it? My point is that you shouldn't read too much in to it - so much so that I really don't see a point in trying. You mention comparing yourself in gaming and sport... but those are instances where the participants have implicitly or explicitly agreed to competition. While you're busy patting yourself on the back for turning yourself inside out to catch someone's wheel, they may be in the middle of a z2 ride or at the end of a century; there's no way for you to compare yourself to someone else with only your data point.
Are you serious?
The guy is playing mental games on his commute for the fun of it.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND???
08-15-17 | 01:20 PM
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08-15-17 | 02:40 PM
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It's funny ... if the OP said "some Italian" or "some Irish person" it would seem objectionable .... but "some woman" isn't sexist?
I don't care. This is a very mild distinction, and not (to me) offensive. But it is all and only about some archaic idea that men are supposed to be physically superior to women. But really, all it is, is this guy saying "I am sexist."
Not worth a debate. If he gets all angst-ridden over being passed by a woman rider, that is his issue.
Some folks get upset if certain types or "classes" or riders pass them, others, different groups. Some folks can't stand being passed at all ... and some don't care if they are overtaken or not.
Not an Earth-shaking issue, in my view.
I don't care. This is a very mild distinction, and not (to me) offensive. But it is all and only about some archaic idea that men are supposed to be physically superior to women. But really, all it is, is this guy saying "I am sexist."
Not worth a debate. If he gets all angst-ridden over being passed by a woman rider, that is his issue.
Some folks get upset if certain types or "classes" or riders pass them, others, different groups. Some folks can't stand being passed at all ... and some don't care if they are overtaken or not.
Not an Earth-shaking issue, in my view.
08-15-17 | 02:51 PM
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The fastest racers I know are fairly slow riders and passed quite often.
I expect the fastest women are not passing you, not because they can't, but because the fastest women - ride slower (usually).
But if you are concerned, just say "Zone 1 day" as they pass by. Then they will know you are much faster than they are.
I expect the fastest women are not passing you, not because they can't, but because the fastest women - ride slower (usually).
But if you are concerned, just say "Zone 1 day" as they pass by. Then they will know you are much faster than they are.
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08-15-17 | 02:58 PM
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I hadn't read this on when I posted above.
08-15-17 | 03:02 PM
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That physiological difference exists all the way down the spectrum of rider skill-levels as well. It's reasonable to assume that if you're faster than about 50% of men, you're probably faster than more-than-50% of women, given the physiological disparity.
I guess the OP simply doesn't understand this.