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My first visit to Watopia

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Old 01-10-18, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 99Klein
No wheel slip on a Kickr :-)
Clearly, you have underestimated my cheapness.

Honestly, it's not an issue when it's set up properly. No complaints about the Snap.
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Originally Posted by dmanthree
Funny, I tried setting it to 100% and only experienced a little wheel slip and lower cadence. I didn't like it. My aging knees prefer 50%.
Same experience here, on a Kickr SNAP. The bike I use on the SNAP is an old 3x9 speed Trek 520, I didn't want the extra expense of the wheel-less Kickr and spacers or extra cassette to make it work. So, wheel slip is an issue.

I played with the difficulty setting, main difference seemed to be that I had to actually go do down to the granny gear on climbs like the Radio Tower to get to my real world low speed up hills. At 50%, only have to drop down to the middle ring. I'm not really concerned about Zwift matching my real world shifting patterns, plus I'm riding a different bike on road rides these days anyway.
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Originally Posted by jpescatore
Same experience here, on a Kickr SNAP. The bike I use on the SNAP is an old 3x9 speed Trek 520, I didn't want the extra expense of the wheel-less Kickr and spacers or extra cassette to make it work. So, wheel slip is an issue.

I played with the difficulty setting, main difference seemed to be that I had to actually go do down to the granny gear on climbs like the Radio Tower to get to my real world low speed up hills. At 50%, only have to drop down to the middle ring. I'm not really concerned about Zwift matching my real world shifting patterns, plus I'm riding a different bike on road rides these days anyway.
When I set it to 100% my cadence dropped, but my power output and speeds didn't change. So I'm leaving it at 50% where I'm more comfortable riding. Not worried about any exact simulation of real life, I just want a good workout. And I'm getting it. Love the setup so far.
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Originally Posted by dmanthree
When I set it to 100% my cadence dropped, but my power output and speeds didn't change. So I'm leaving it at 50% where I'm more comfortable riding. Not worried about any exact simulation of real life, I just want a good workout. And I'm getting it. Love the setup so far.
You'll get the workout, yes. The _only_ thing you won't get is experience grinding out 16% grades at 35 cadence.

If you don't ever expect to do that IRL, then you're all set.

If on the other hand, long nasty climbs are part of your season (last year I climbed Mt Etna a couple times, and Mt Mitchell and Skyuka) then the full on punishing simulation may have value.
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Originally Posted by nycphotography
You'll get the workout, yes. The _only_ thing you won't get is experience grinding out 16% grades at 35 cadence.

If you don't ever expect to do that IRL, then you're all set.

If on the other hand, long nasty climbs are part of your season (last year I climbed Mt Etna a couple times, and Mt Mitchell and Skyuka) then the full on punishing simulation may have value.
As long as the bike is locked in you'll never simulate reality perfectly. I know that. But compared to other indoor solution, it's pretty damned good.

BTW, my cadence on that 15% grade in the London Loop was climbed with a 45 cadence. So it's close.

On to Richmond.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Sounds like maybe Zwift could add a new screen function! Maybe a little hot button that pops up on tough gradients labelled "Bailout Gear" that drops resistance in half, so as to avoid a fail.. kinda a virtual extended cassette range or imagining I have a Triple.
You remind me about the first time I tried box hill. Trainer was at 100%. Went through the "subway" to get to the hill, climbed the hill, descended, went back into the "subway" to return to London. All's well, then one sudden left turn and HOLY FKKK 15% GRADE OUT OF NOWHERE while I was still on the big ring (that going up the planks covering the stairs part). A bailout button would have been a big help right there.
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You remind me about the first time I tried box hill. Trainer was at 100%. Went through the "subway" to get to the hill, climbed the hill, descended, went back into the "subway" to return to London. All's well, then one sudden left turn and HOLY FKKK 15% GRADE OUT OF NOWHERE while I was still on the big ring (that going up the planks covering the stairs part). A bailout button would have been a big help right there.
That damned grade surprised me, too. I was in the big ring, as well, but managed to get to the 2nd big ring in the back so I could stand for the short climb. Second and third time up that hill were better, but judging by the number of riders stopped in the middle of that climb we weren't the only ones surprised.

Descending it was more fun. I'm back on tomorrow so I'll see what courses are available. Going to try a two hour ride tomorrow afternoon.
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The new London Mouintains? (Huh? Wtf?) courses are quite fun.

The Surrey Hills route will make you suffer for sure. Actually makes me stop avoiding London days on the calendar when figuring out workout schedules.

All we need now is for a great big fake mountain to spring up in downtown Richmond and we'll be all set
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All we need now is for a great big fake mountain to spring up in downtown Richmond and we'll be all set
Personally though, I'd prefer they add a whole new map instead of adding new routes to existing ones (as riding the same scenery all the time can get old pretty fast). A course with some long and nasty rollers would be fun.
Also, they should let us choose the map instead of relying on a registry hack to do so.
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Originally Posted by atwl77
Personally though, I'd prefer they add a whole new map instead of adding new routes to existing ones (as riding the same scenery all the time can get old pretty fast). A course with some long and nasty rollers would be fun.
Also, they should let us choose the map instead of relying on a registry hack to do so.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. There are lots of climbs and some flat routes, but a route with some rolling hills would be nice. Maybe it's there; I haven't ridden every route yet, but I haven't found it.

I was thinking of Rt 113 in northeastern MA...
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They changed up the start locations for some of the routes, which threw me a bit. I wasn't expecting to be where I ended up. Not that big a deal I guess.

I suppose it might be a little graphics intensive, but they could fix it so that when riders come and go that instead of suddenly appearing or disappearing, they use a Star-Trek transporter type of visual.
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Ice and snow here too. Berofe Zwift an hour indoors was dull. Now I can take a 3-4 hour dose

I free ride in Watopia, and I don't fancy the other locations nor the races where one doesn't have to steer/react with the bike.

Epic KOM and Jungle/Ruins are my favorites. Eg. "Road to Ruins", extended with one extra lap in the jungle, makes a nice after-work ride. Easy riding to jungle, then an all-out effort for 7.8 km there, and easy back. On the weekends Watopia Big Loop x2 is a nice longer ride.

Smart trainer is the de facto. I'd love to change my rollers to a smart version. There's more info on my pain cave / set up on my blog as well as on Zwift on other posts.
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