Looking at Road Bikes
03-10-18 | 03:49 PM
#51
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Don’t limit yourself too just those two makes. I recommend looking into Giant TCR road bikes. There are many models all full composite with great components. Like the TCR advance 2 with complete Shimano 105 @ just $1700 or with your budget you can get the TCR Advance PRO 1/ Team with Shimano Ultegra and a set of Giant SLR carbon wheels for around $3200.
03-10-18 | 06:30 PM
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Call me old fashioned if you want, I don't care. The whole thing smacks of marketing BS and a solution to a problem that might not exist. If you're really getting that much road shock transmitted through your plastic bike to your tender parts, maybe you need bigger tyres.
I hope your package comes soon, because you get really crabby sometimes.
03-10-18 | 06:59 PM
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03-10-18 | 08:13 PM
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...no. It's an excellent example of bicycle "innovation" using a "newer and better" way to mount bearings in a BB shell that was heavily marketed as leading to an "improvement" in "performance". So I am skeptical of bearings added in places where none existed, to "improve vertical compliance" so that all teh "road racers" will be less fatigued at the end of Stage 14 on the Tour.
Call me old fashioned if you want, I don't care. The whole thing smacks of marketing BS and a solution to a problem that might not exist. If you're really getting that much road shock transmitted through your plastic bike to your tender parts, maybe you need bigger tyres.
Call me old fashioned if you want, I don't care. The whole thing smacks of marketing BS and a solution to a problem that might not exist. If you're really getting that much road shock transmitted through your plastic bike to your tender parts, maybe you need bigger tyres.
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03-10-18 | 08:25 PM
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03-10-18 | 08:29 PM
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It's a bearing.
It's a bearing.
3-for-3, brother man!
03-10-18 | 08:40 PM
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But, like I said. I am drawn to the Domane. No more need to look.
03-10-18 | 08:50 PM
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I don't know why I bother to post cool mechanical videos in the road forum. Nobody ever watches them.
03-10-18 | 08:54 PM
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...here's the thing, Whiffy. You can stick a bearing in just aboot anywhere with way cool carbon fiber plastic molding technology.
You could stick one in each fork leg if you wanted. But it's not necessarily a good idea. There's a whole support system for the bearing.
And there are a number of ways that can lead to failure in what was once an area of the frame that was less problematic.
You can either believe me on that or not. I still hope your package gets there soon.
...here's the thing, Whiffy. You can stick a bearing in just aboot anywhere with way cool carbon fiber plastic molding technology.
You could stick one in each fork leg if you wanted. But it's not necessarily a good idea. There's a whole support system for the bearing.
And there are a number of ways that can lead to failure in what was once an area of the frame that was less problematic.
You can either believe me on that or not. I still hope your package gets there soon.
03-10-18 | 09:03 PM
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03-10-18 | 09:13 PM
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...here's the thing, Whiffy. You can stick a bearing in just aboot anywhere with way cool carbon fiber plastic molding technology.
You could stick one in each fork leg if you wanted. But it's not necessarily a good idea. There's a whole support system for the bearing.
And there are a number of ways that can lead to failure in what was once an area of the frame that was less problematic.
You can either believe me on that or not. I still hope your package gets there soon.
...here's the thing, Whiffy. You can stick a bearing in just aboot anywhere with way cool carbon fiber plastic molding technology.
You could stick one in each fork leg if you wanted. But it's not necessarily a good idea. There's a whole support system for the bearing.
And there are a number of ways that can lead to failure in what was once an area of the frame that was less problematic.
You can either believe me on that or not. I still hope your package gets there soon.
03-10-18 | 10:36 PM
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How was it developed?
IsoSpeed was developed through a partnership between Trek engineers and Fabian Cancellara, one of the world’s most successful Classics riders. Professional riders are a key element in our development process. They spend more time on bikes than anybody else, and they're equipped to scrutinize minute details and provide the valuable feedback that is paramount to creating the best bikes in the world. Who better to push us to innovate than those whose livelihood depends on the performance of our products?
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/i...trek/isospeed/
IsoSpeed was developed through a partnership between Trek engineers and Fabian Cancellara, one of the world’s most successful Classics riders. Professional riders are a key element in our development process. They spend more time on bikes than anybody else, and they're equipped to scrutinize minute details and provide the valuable feedback that is paramount to creating the best bikes in the world. Who better to push us to innovate than those whose livelihood depends on the performance of our products?
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/i...trek/isospeed/
If you want to continue arguing "well, a lot of people ride and like them", I'll just chalk it up to being back in the road forum for a while. Most everybody drinks the same Koolaid in here. This whole discussion with you has unpleasantly reminded me of discussing the last election with my next door neighbor Hannity fan.
I don't do that any more either.
03-10-18 | 10:38 PM
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Why am I continuing to respond to a guy who hates the whole world because his package got sidetracked ?
03-11-18 | 01:03 AM
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Bikes: Marin Four Corners, 1960's Schwinn Racer in middle of restoration, mid 70s Motobecane Grand Touring, various other heaps.
03-11-18 | 07:42 AM
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And com'on - "developed with Fabian" is marketing speak for, "we designed it, he rode it and told us whether it needed to be firmer or softer."
03-11-18 | 07:45 AM
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03-11-18 | 07:52 AM
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Both bikes are great at that price range. Can't really go wrong.
Allow me to throw KTM into the ring, if you'd be ok with buying online (or you have a dealer nearby). They're new to the US, so just starting out here but they've been around a LONG time. But the Rev Sky Blue looks stunning in person and yes, while it's equipped with 105 components, I can assure you you're getting the better frame with this bike. They have some other options too if you care to look around and you can chat with the staff and ask questions to find the perfect bike/size for you. I ride a Rev 3500 and it is the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden and I ahve ridden a LOT of bikes.
Allow me to throw KTM into the ring, if you'd be ok with buying online (or you have a dealer nearby). They're new to the US, so just starting out here but they've been around a LONG time. But the Rev Sky Blue looks stunning in person and yes, while it's equipped with 105 components, I can assure you you're getting the better frame with this bike. They have some other options too if you care to look around and you can chat with the staff and ask questions to find the perfect bike/size for you. I ride a Rev 3500 and it is the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden and I ahve ridden a LOT of bikes.
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03-11-18 | 07:54 AM
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Bikes: Road bike is a Carbon Bianchi C2C & Grandis (1980's), Gary Fisher Mt Bike, Trek Tandem & Mongoose SS MTB circa 1992.
Dude the $3K range is a thing of beauty.....so many great choices for all types of riding / riders....
take your time most bikes will be very good but figure out what it is you will be doing with the bike.....level of fitness type of riding.
Keep us informed.
I am jealous,
take your time most bikes will be very good but figure out what it is you will be doing with the bike.....level of fitness type of riding.
Keep us informed.
I am jealous,
03-11-18 | 07:57 AM
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And? The context was a fear-mongering line of insinuation, questioning whether it had been tested enough and whether or not it would be abandoned in the future, leaving users SOL. Do you have a pretty good idea of what to expect from a bearing? Are they easily replaceable? Do you think that the bearings would be impossible to source if Trek EOL'd IsoSpeed? In this regard, his attempted BB30 sidetrack was actually a good example - the bearings used in BB30 were a common industrial bearing long before Cannondale developed the standard and they'd be readily available for current BB30 users even if Cannondale were to no longer support it; I would expect that it would be the same case if Trek were to discontinue IsoSpeed (but it's already been around for more than 5 years and, rather than walking it back, they've doubled down, so so much for that).
03-11-18 | 10:48 AM
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And? The context was a fear-mongering line of insinuation, questioning whether it had been tested enough and whether or not it would be abandoned in the future, leaving users SOL. Do you have a pretty good idea of what to expect from a bearing? Are they easily replaceable? Do you think that the bearings would be impossible to source if Trek EOL'd IsoSpeed? In this regard, his attempted BB30 sidetrack was actually a good example - the bearings used in BB30 were a common industrial bearing long before Cannondale developed the standard and they'd be readily available for current BB30 users even if Cannondale were to no longer support it; I would expect that it would be the same case if Trek were to discontinue IsoSpeed (but it's already been around for more than 5 years and, rather than walking it back, they've doubled down, so so much for that).
My original H2 geometry Madone (52 frame) developed an issue with the isospeed decoupler, which Trek couldn't resolve. Their customer service did me proud however and they upgraded the bike to a H1 frame for no extra cost.
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They never got to the bottom of what was causing the problem. The symptom was that it squeaked loudly. The whole area was dismantled and replaced, the bearings were replaced, they even suggested at one point that it was the bottle cage bolts causing the problem. Nothing solved it however so eventually I got fed up and told them it either needed to be sorted once and for all or they needed to replace it. It went back to Trek's QC centre in the UK, was with them for two weeks, it came back allegedly cured and.... 5 miles down the road it was squeaking again. I videoed it, sent the video to Trek and to be fair to them they then bent over backwards to resolve the situation, hence I ended up with the H1 and a replacement set of the integrated bars (I wanted a narrower set) for no extra cost. Painful, but I'm happy with the final outcome! My LBS had by this point also worked out how to make sure the cables don't rattle which drove me bananas on the first bike, so it is (touch wood) a silent stealthy speed machine.
My Warranty Replacement Madone H1 - Weight Weenies
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They never got to the bottom of what was causing the problem. The symptom was that it squeaked loudly. The whole area was dismantled and replaced, the bearings were replaced, they even suggested at one point that it was the bottle cage bolts causing the problem. Nothing solved it however so eventually I got fed up and told them it either needed to be sorted once and for all or they needed to replace it. It went back to Trek's QC centre in the UK, was with them for two weeks, it came back allegedly cured and.... 5 miles down the road it was squeaking again. I videoed it, sent the video to Trek and to be fair to them they then bent over backwards to resolve the situation, hence I ended up with the H1 and a replacement set of the integrated bars (I wanted a narrower set) for no extra cost. Painful, but I'm happy with the final outcome! My LBS had by this point also worked out how to make sure the cables don't rattle which drove me bananas on the first bike, so it is (touch wood) a silent stealthy speed machine.
My Warranty Replacement Madone H1 - Weight Weenies