Enjoy :-)

Meh. Am I ever going to use wheels with thru-axles? Nope.

As far as the ergonomics, I would be more excited if Shimano levers were more like Campagnolo. With Shimano STI, the same lever controls the upshifting and braking? What is it with that?

Also, they should move the shifter cables back from under the bar tape to the outside like the old levers. Less sharp cable bends and cable friction and fussy setup.

Finally, the crankarms are butt-ugly. I guess I can forgive, as Shimano crankarms have the best fixing and BB interface in the business. I use Shimano cranksets and chains on my otherwise Campagnolo drivetrains.

I didn't hear them mention any weights. But the 5800 105 was only about a pound more than Di2. And they've probably now improved on that.
I still have 9 speed 105 on one of my backup bikes, and 10 speed 105 on another, and they both function flawlessly. 105 is great value.

Is x700 the last generation that you used? I haven't heard these complaints since then.

I think it actually looks kinda cool, although I wish there was more of a aesthetic design difference so they don't all look like DA with different badges.

I tried the new Ultegra front derailleur when I built my latest bike. It looks and functioned okay, but the cable tightening screw broke off with part of the casting when loosening the cable. It is made from cast aluminum. I used my torque wrench when tightening the cable, an allen key when loosening. Luckily I had a 105 derailleur laying about.
Maybe the one I got had a defect in the casting. I don't know, but I did get my money back upon return of the part.

Horrific crank.

Im all for this though. Hopefully push rim brake tech to an even cheaper pricepoint.

had a near-accident because of that stupid design, swear to never touch any shimano groupset ever again

Over the years I've had three different Shimano STI groupsets including my current 5800 11 speed. I've not had any issues with the design. Can you tell me what happened with your near-accident?

I'm guessing braking hard from a big gear like 53x12 and forgetting to downshift beforehand, never been an issue for me though

Great. I just finished putting 5800 on my old bike. Now I'm going to have to scrap the whole group and upgrade.

Some more blurb here:

https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/infor...-gear-ran.html

No weights though, but Im guessing its the same as before. R8000 is about an ounce more than 6800, AFAIK.

I think it looks like a solid update. Especially the hydro STI-levers. I like that it does 34t too, but I wish they would do a 105 sub compact crank. 50/11 is wasted on many anyway. Oh well, you cant get it all :-)

I have the 105 set on my Kestrel and love it. Shifts are quick and smooth. Adjustments are easy.

I have small hands and short fingers, I could only place the tip of my index and middle fingers on the side-front of the brake lever
a car was suddenly swerving, I pulled the lever but instead it slipped and moved inward (downshift)

This got my attention...

Those who have been holding back because of the need to upgrade wheels should be interested in this.


-Tim-

It was the only reason I went to 10 instead of 11 over this winter.

Oh well. I figure 2 years is long enough to amortize my 10 speed STI, then it's off to 11 speed hydro I go.

How did you almost have an accident from a shift lever also being the brake lever?
I cant think of a time where i was having shift and brake with the same lever at the same time.

I have a set of Microshift levers on an old roadbike and they have a dedicated up shift paddle, down shift paddle, and brake lever. I like the set up a lot, but not because it is somehow safer. I also havent tried shifting while braking with those shifters either.

What do you use instead of Shimano...Campy?...i guess SRAM is an option, of course. I used SRAM once to ride a bike around the block that id worked on for a buddy. Interesting shifting style. Easy to adjust to. Didnt seem good or bad, really.

see post #14

There was already an ultegra version of this cassette

does the ultegra version also need to use 11-34 ratio?

Yes, this cassette works because it offsets the 34t back behind the freehub body. Anything smaller won't clear the wheel spokes. All of shimano 11 speed mountain cassettes will work on a 10 speed hub because of this design

wow I never knew this, thanks for the info
I happen to use a wolftooth roadlink, so the short RD would definitely accept 34t, then I just need to upgrade the right shifter

Post #14 doesn't make any sense, but if you say so...

The crank looks better than 8000 or 9100. I'm glad they finally dumped that hideous hydro brake lever.

Yes. Its nice its now in 105 too. Its likely much cheaper. There is a 11-30 as well.