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There used to be a guy here that liked his Ti roadies with deep dish crabon wheels. Done right, they are lust-worthy, but I just haven't seen a BD Ti dressed to impress quite the same. Part of it, I think, is that I prefer the modern aesthetic of more over-sized tubing (which I assume would be more up-to-snuff in terms of performance)
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One of my worst ocean racing experiences involved a dreadfully rough Gulf Stream crossing and a broken toilet.
08-22-18, 06:45 AM
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08-22-18, 06:52 AM
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We've talked about it here. And posted photos of the Ora welds. It's nice stuff, no doubt. I want one too.
Buying a bike that ends up being too noodley would suck. You're not a small guy and you're going to put out some decent efforts at times. Bike flex when you're doing that blows.
Buying a bike that ends up being too noodley would suck. You're not a small guy and you're going to put out some decent efforts at times. Bike flex when you're doing that blows.
As an aside, my cycling heros (such as they are), are Cancellara and Jensie, specifically because of their ability to similarly put out relatively high power for a moderate-long period, rather than being sprinters or scrawny GC climbers.
08-22-18, 06:56 AM
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There used to be a guy here that liked his Ti roadies with deep dish crabon wheels. Done right, they are lust-worthy, but I just haven't seen a BD Ti dressed to impress quite the same. Part of it, I think, is that I prefer the modern aesthetic of more over-sized tubing (which I assume would be more up-to-snuff in terms of performance)
08-22-18, 07:03 AM
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I have nothing of a technical nature to offer, but my philosophy on training is that the best bike is the one you want to ride.
For me, at least, that means a. pretty and b. fun to ride under the expected conditions over the expected distances. Being an essentially shallow and appearance-driven man, I put "pretty" first quite consciously. Above all, I would avoid anything that's "not quite" in your eyes and, personally, I'd rather train on something cool but slow than something whose inevitable faults are not compensated by a sufficient touch of aesthetics, authenticity, prestige, or romance.
For me, at least, that means a. pretty and b. fun to ride under the expected conditions over the expected distances. Being an essentially shallow and appearance-driven man, I put "pretty" first quite consciously. Above all, I would avoid anything that's "not quite" in your eyes and, personally, I'd rather train on something cool but slow than something whose inevitable faults are not compensated by a sufficient touch of aesthetics, authenticity, prestige, or romance.
Did I mention she's a little studette as the distances increase and conditions get hotter, windier, and hillier?
that and her but it's crushing at the end of those rides.
08-22-18, 07:36 AM
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08-22-18, 07:42 AM
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08-22-18, 07:56 AM
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I do agree on "pretty"; hence asking the shop about last year's paint. The "slow" aspect is because I don't want to hinder AG's training, and when she's on the P3 and I'm on my S1 she's already able to put the hurt on me towards the end of a longer ride, especially as it gets hotter and windier (she leaves an essentially undetectable draft for me with our sizes and her position). It'd suck to get a bike and realize that I need an extra 5-10w into the wind. Last Saturday it already felt like she opened the bathtub drain under my soul by the time we got back to the car.
Did I mention she's a little studette as the distances increase and conditions get hotter, windier, and hillier? that and her but it's crushing at the end of those rides.
Did I mention she's a little studette as the distances increase and conditions get hotter, windier, and hillier?
that and her but it's crushing at the end of those rides.
08-22-18, 08:00 AM
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That's why the budget for this is tighter than it would otherwise be; want the budget to allow Di2 with brake lever shifters for the tri bike.
08-22-18, 08:01 AM
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On the "pretty" thing, my tastes generally steer me away from butt ugly colors, and more toward a bike that looks like an old chunk of coal. Non-descript and certainly not flashy or enticing.
08-22-18, 08:10 AM
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08-22-18, 08:11 AM
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08-22-18, 08:28 AM
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Current R2, both hideous:
Current R3, orange/navy would look bad with the red kits I like and the b/w is a boring example of it:
By contrast, last year's R2:
That's bold and I love red. Or there's AG's fluo R3. Both of those are way better than this year's paint. The R2 comes with an alloy seatpost and I'd probably want to swap that to the carbon in a hurry, but maybe not if the bigger tires can do enough.
08-22-18, 08:31 AM
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I have a bike named Pisgah. Yeah Tennessee, Litespeed. No one has any idea what that means here In R.I.
They think.....
I need to take a Pisgah in the woodsgah. Slightly worse than the Litespeed road bike called Natchez. I think I'll order a plate of Natchez for a snack.
They think.....
I need to take a Pisgah in the woodsgah. Slightly worse than the Litespeed road bike called Natchez. I think I'll order a plate of Natchez for a snack.
08-22-18, 08:35 AM
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I actually like the first three best. but I'm still not over the ubiquitous black/white/red from a decade ago - I got so tired of seeing it on every bike.
Side note: I'm putting in an order for the club kit today. Color scheme: black/white/red.
Side note: I'm putting in an order for the club kit today. Color scheme: black/white/red.
08-22-18, 08:42 AM
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If I liked that blue I might just get the current Ritchey Logic. The slate one is dull, and the orange... yeah I like red, so the full red looks better to me, I don't like the Cervelo navy, and the red grabs me more. And I didn't bother showing the fluo, which I do like, so if they have one of those still in the warehouse I may opt for that. Probably won't hear from the shop for an hour or so. Rest assured if I got the black/white I'd be dressing it up with colored bar tape (for the first time in my life) and wheel decals. That's the advantage to black/white: it can be turned into and match anything. That slate and blue and orange just can't. I do hate the "murdered out" look though; I hated it fifteen years ago when everyone in the car community was losing their minds for it.
08-22-18, 08:43 AM
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I have a question for everyone here. I may or may not take the resulting advice, but I'd still appreciate the input.As mentioned, it's getting about around to New Bike Time, and I'm torn between the BD Ti with R8000 and the Cervelo R2/R3. Here's the logic that leads me to these two paths:
1) Modern steel frames are either affordable but questionable (Soma Smoothie), affordable and good but ugly (Ritchey Logic, Fairdale Goodship), lacking in tire clearance (Gunnar, BD), or too expensive (Stinner).
2) Classic steel frames have the issue of being older than I want to deal with (quill stems, etc), missing geometry and clearance numbers, and quite possibly full of build "surprises".
3) I've always lusted after Ti, and the BD is a scorching deal, even though the GS RD would have to be scrapped.
4) The Ti natively takes my Quarq.
5) I don't give a G-D about the fastest bike for training (but I don't want something outright slow).
6) The BD comes as a finished product instead of me needing to track down a million parts for a new or old frame and get it put together.
7) However, the Cervelos are certainly going to be lighter, possibly more aero, and certainly will get a lot fewer AARP jokes. Which I'd love to say I'm above caring about, but vanity is a *****.
8) I can certainly adapt the Quarq or afford a new one and sell the existing one.
9) At least in my circles, Cervelo falls very much into the "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" category. Bland, yes, but they deliver a certain degree of reliable quality and everyone is familiar with them.
The problem is, I have no idea which bike I would prefer, and can't really get a feeling for either of them prior to buying (as in, riding for an extended period). It would be awesome to take them each out for a few laps at COTA, but of course that's not happening. Would the supposed flexiness of Ti bother me, even with my tri-geek low max wattage? If I buy another Cervelo, will I always wish I had gotten Ti? Will I be dissatisfied either way and should just stick with the S1 until it falls apart?
In all honestly, I'd appreciate hearing anyone's input and reasoning that got them there.
1) Modern steel frames are either affordable but questionable (Soma Smoothie), affordable and good but ugly (Ritchey Logic, Fairdale Goodship), lacking in tire clearance (Gunnar, BD), or too expensive (Stinner
).2) Classic steel frames have the issue of being older than I want to deal with (quill stems, etc), missing geometry and clearance numbers, and quite possibly full of build "surprises".
3) I've always lusted after Ti, and the BD is a scorching deal, even though the GS RD would have to be scrapped.
4) The Ti natively takes my Quarq.
5) I don't give a G-D about the fastest bike for training (but I don't want something outright slow).
6) The BD comes as a finished product instead of me needing to track down a million parts for a new or old frame and get it put together.
7) However, the Cervelos are certainly going to be lighter, possibly more aero, and certainly will get a lot fewer AARP jokes. Which I'd love to say I'm above caring about, but vanity is a *****.
8) I can certainly adapt the Quarq or afford a new one and sell the existing one.
9) At least in my circles, Cervelo falls very much into the "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" category. Bland, yes, but they deliver a certain degree of reliable quality and everyone is familiar with them.
The problem is, I have no idea which bike I would prefer, and can't really get a feeling for either of them prior to buying (as in, riding for an extended period). It would be awesome to take them each out for a few laps at COTA, but of course that's not happening. Would the supposed flexiness of Ti bother me, even with my tri-geek low max wattage? If I buy another Cervelo, will I always wish I had gotten Ti? Will I be dissatisfied either way and should just stick with the S1 until it falls apart?
In all honestly, I'd appreciate hearing anyone's input and reasoning that got them there.
The people who want TI around here that don't want to mess with piecing crap together just buy moots.
08-22-18, 08:45 AM
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Oh, and why did I think that your kit was orange/black? Is it actually red red or orange-ish red?
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08-22-18, 08:55 AM
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Do you have to scrub up like a a doctor and the OR when entering the clean room?
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If the shop team is dead next year, which it may be, this is what I'd run with, or similar:
