Are you Shimano's *****?
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Recently I find myself becoming more and more entrenched with Shimano gear. For example I have two Shimano bikes (w/ shimano hubbed wheels) and I recently bought a pair of 105 hubs from performance that I'll eventually build up. [My passion are wheels and Shimano hubs are so cheap to buy in the US]
To make matters worse I'm so comfy with adjusting/working on my shimano drivetrains that I start justifying BS reasons why I should not switch over to Campy one day. (even though it's probably just as easy to adjust )
I guess I'm in a comfort zone with Brand "S" and wondering if anyone else think's this is happening to them (lol)
The funny thing is I think this happens to some mechanics at LBS's (so I've heard) . They are so used to working on Shimano they may not be enthusiastic to work on a campy bike.
Hopefully we'll see more component makers in the shifter/complete group market and this won't be a two manufacturer decision anymore. Aren't Shimano shifter patent's expiring? Good news on this front is that there will be a SRAM road group in the near future sometime.
P.S. I still have a quick link to Campy Only's rumor page because they always have interesting stuff on there.
To make matters worse I'm so comfy with adjusting/working on my shimano drivetrains that I start justifying BS reasons why I should not switch over to Campy one day. (even though it's probably just as easy to adjust )
I guess I'm in a comfort zone with Brand "S" and wondering if anyone else think's this is happening to them (lol)
The funny thing is I think this happens to some mechanics at LBS's (so I've heard) . They are so used to working on Shimano they may not be enthusiastic to work on a campy bike.
Hopefully we'll see more component makers in the shifter/complete group market and this won't be a two manufacturer decision anymore. Aren't Shimano shifter patent's expiring? Good news on this front is that there will be a SRAM road group in the near future sometime.
P.S. I still have a quick link to Campy Only's rumor page because they always have interesting stuff on there.
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My parts bin shows SRAM ahead 9-2 - it might've been a sweep if they made bottom brackets and cranksets. May the PowerLink be with you... (Edit, whoops, I didn't know they owned Avid & Truvativ, and that Truvativ also makes BB's)
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I definitely notice this in bike mechanics, and even salesmen when you talk to them about bikes equipped with different groups. Having used both, I am not necessarily more partial to one than the other, although I do think Campy Record equipped bikes look nicer....
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I am. The stuff just works, and Campy is so under-represented in the market that I never even think about them. Also, Campy doesn't have the market cornered on aesthetically pleasing parts anymore, like in the 70's and 80's. I DO buy comparable SRAM stuff when it's cheaper, though, and they make quality stuff, too. I think one day I'll have a Campy'd -out bike, but not in the near future.
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I've been out of the game for over a decade ... around the time STIs first came about..
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
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Originally Posted by The_Guru
I've been out of the game for over a decade ... around the time STIs first came about..
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
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Can't wait for SRAM road group. I even think FSA should make some shifters and try to field a group.
Speaking of Shifter patents, does anyone know when the STI patent expires. It's been about 10 years right since they were introduced?
Speaking of Shifter patents, does anyone know when the STI patent expires. It's been about 10 years right since they were introduced?
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Not only can you shift from the drops, you can also shift up from the tops (or at least I can, by extending my finger).
I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
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Originally Posted by The_Guru
hrmmm. Perhaps I'll have to take a peek again one day, and ride a campy-adorned bike.
Thanks :-)
Thanks :-)
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
I seriously wonder what drugs the Shimano engineers were taking when they designed their hoods. They're horrible and just plain butt-ugly.
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
I got big hands, so they suit me fine.
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
I seriously wonder what drugs the Shimano engineers were taking when they designed their hoods. They're horrible and just plain butt-ugly.
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shimano is clearly more common on bikes sold in the US - but how about in Europe and elsewhere? what do you think is the global market share shimano vs campy on road bikes? share in the TdF?
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Not only can you shift from the drops, you can also shift up from the tops (or at least I can, by extending my finger).
I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
But I didn't say that. Shimano's my homie
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Originally Posted by brooklyner
shimano is clearly more common on bikes sold in the US - but how about in Europe and elsewhere? what do you think is the global market share shimano vs campy on road bikes? share in the TdF?
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
Don't ride one unless you plan on walking out with it 

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From: Might as well be underwater because I make less drag than a torpedoE (no aero bars here though)
Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Much more Shimano
I'd like to see it more balanced because right now I feel locked into buying Shimano due to price.
105 stuff is practically being given away right now with a 20% coupon (rear dearilleur $24, front and rear hubs $54 for the set, etc)
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From: Might as well be underwater because I make less drag than a torpedoE (no aero bars here though)
Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Depends by your definition of the market. If you take into account all road bike sales (including those that sell for under £200), then Shimano must have 80% or something. If you pick another segment of the market (£1500 and up) then you'd see a more even split. It's certainly 50/50 in my club.
Monopolies are not good. That's why I'm hoping this STI patent expires so when can have more choices. Road parts are really expensive.






I just like the looks of Campy better and I like the brifters a lot better, too.