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Old 07-11-05 | 05:42 AM
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Recently I find myself becoming more and more entrenched with Shimano gear. For example I have two Shimano bikes (w/ shimano hubbed wheels) and I recently bought a pair of 105 hubs from performance that I'll eventually build up. [My passion are wheels and Shimano hubs are so cheap to buy in the US]

To make matters worse I'm so comfy with adjusting/working on my shimano drivetrains that I start justifying BS reasons why I should not switch over to Campy one day. (even though it's probably just as easy to adjust )

I guess I'm in a comfort zone with Brand "S" and wondering if anyone else think's this is happening to them (lol)

The funny thing is I think this happens to some mechanics at LBS's (so I've heard) . They are so used to working on Shimano they may not be enthusiastic to work on a campy bike.

Hopefully we'll see more component makers in the shifter/complete group market and this won't be a two manufacturer decision anymore. Aren't Shimano shifter patent's expiring? Good news on this front is that there will be a SRAM road group in the near future sometime.

P.S. I still have a quick link to Campy Only's rumor page because they always have interesting stuff on there.

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Old 07-11-05 | 05:46 AM
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I am a slap daddy for campy. I touch it and get excited. I see a picture of it gleaming and looking sexy and I get excited. I need help.
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Old 07-11-05 | 05:47 AM
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Old 07-11-05 | 05:49 AM
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I definitely notice this in bike mechanics, and even salesmen when you talk to them about bikes equipped with different groups. Having used both, I am not necessarily more partial to one than the other, although I do think Campy Record equipped bikes look nicer....
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Old 07-11-05 | 05:49 AM
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I am. The stuff just works, and Campy is so under-represented in the market that I never even think about them. Also, Campy doesn't have the market cornered on aesthetically pleasing parts anymore, like in the 70's and 80's. I DO buy comparable SRAM stuff when it's cheaper, though, and they make quality stuff, too. I think one day I'll have a Campy'd -out bike, but not in the near future.
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Old 07-11-05 | 07:02 AM
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Campy = shwing! Shimano = zzzz...

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Old 07-11-05 | 07:33 AM
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I've been out of the game for over a decade ... around the time STIs first came about..
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
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Old 07-11-05 | 07:37 AM
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I've been out of the game for over a decade ... around the time STIs first came about..
Now that I'm slowly crawling out from under my rock, I noticed a set of campagnolo brifters in a bike shop on Saturday ... and ... correct me if I'm wrong, but one can only comfortably downshift while resting on the hoods (that little thumb flicky doohickey)... eh ?
I shift from the drops with no problem.
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Old 07-11-05 | 07:59 AM
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:01 AM
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Can't wait for SRAM road group. I even think FSA should make some shifters and try to field a group.

Speaking of Shifter patents, does anyone know when the STI patent expires. It's been about 10 years right since they were introduced?
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dcon
I shift from the drops with no problem.
Same here....
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:12 AM
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My MTB is all shimano minus the cassette... My road bike is campy/FSA I just like the looks of Campy better and I like the brifters a lot better, too.
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Not only can you shift from the drops, you can also shift up from the tops (or at least I can, by extending my finger).

I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
I seriously wonder what drugs the Shimano engineers were taking when they designed their hoods. They're horrible and just plain butt-ugly.
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hrmmm. Perhaps I'll have to take a peek again one day, and ride a campy-adorned bike.
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:25 AM
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hrmmm. Perhaps I'll have to take a peek again one day, and ride a campy-adorned bike.
Thanks :-)
Don't ride one unless you plan on walking out with it
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:25 AM
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I seriously wonder what drugs the Shimano engineers were taking when they designed their hoods. They're horrible and just plain butt-ugly.
I got big hands, so they suit me fine.
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:30 AM
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I got big hands, so they suit me fine.
So do I, but I just found the ergonomics of the Campy stuff to be better. I'd ride Shimano if I couldn't get a Campy bike. It's not completely unbearable, but I just don't like the way the hoods are angled and how the shifters themselves seemed to be angled skyward.
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:31 AM
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Same here....
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
I seriously wonder what drugs the Shimano engineers were taking when they designed their hoods. They're horrible and just plain butt-ugly.
Yeah, Campy shifters are so much nicer looking. I definitely agree with that.
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:36 AM
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shimano is clearly more common on bikes sold in the US - but how about in Europe and elsewhere? what do you think is the global market share shimano vs campy on road bikes? share in the TdF?
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Not only can you shift from the drops, you can also shift up from the tops (or at least I can, by extending my finger).

I would be all over Shimano if they didn't have such horrible shifting units. It's not the shifting mechanism, is the size of the hoods and the cable routing.
I'm thinking that Campy may be better to shift in the drops, especially while sprinting. You don't have to loosen your grip as much to do it, just raise your thumb.

But I didn't say that. Shimano's my homie
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by brooklyner
shimano is clearly more common on bikes sold in the US - but how about in Europe and elsewhere? what do you think is the global market share shimano vs campy on road bikes? share in the TdF?
I think its fairly evenly split in the tour, but remember Campy or Shimano give that stuff away to these teams for publicity. I would be intereseted to see what the numbers were in terms of the world market though.
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Don't ride one unless you plan on walking out with it
Oh, there's no chance of that ... I wouldn't be seen WALKING my bike anyway
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Old 07-11-05 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Much more Shimano


I have a feeling Campy is more popular in Europe though ( I see it carried more by overseas retailers than US right now....especially the lower Campag stuff). Problem with US market is that these massive online retailers (Performance, etc) practically give the Shimano stuff away.

I'd like to see it more balanced because right now I feel locked into buying Shimano due to price.

105 stuff is practically being given away right now with a 20% coupon (rear dearilleur $24, front and rear hubs $54 for the set, etc)
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Old 07-11-05 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
Depends by your definition of the market. If you take into account all road bike sales (including those that sell for under £200), then Shimano must have 80% or something. If you pick another segment of the market (£1500 and up) then you'd see a more even split. It's certainly 50/50 in my club.
You'll see more Campy on high-end US bikes, but even at the >$2000 pricepoints it's still 90% (maybe even higher) Shimano it seems.

Monopolies are not good. That's why I'm hoping this STI patent expires so when can have more choices. Road parts are really expensive.
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